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Its good, better then the first two. Check it out.
If someone gave me a RB26TT id put it mustang in a heartbeat.
If someone gave me a RB26TT id put it mustang in a heartbeat.
san~man said:Blasphemy? Because I disproved what another member stated? That I said that the Skyline motor isn't a POS like he said it was. Give me a break. Most of you fools just can't admit that there are cars that are light years ahead as far as engineering, power output and design. Again, leaving out looks, which are purely subjective.
Am I a ricer because I would opt to take a superior car over our beloved Mustang? Please....
The sad facts are:
1. Other than looks, our car (2V) doesn't offer much stock (99-04). 260HP out of 4.6L. Jesus, talk about inefficiency.
2. The suspension takes a crap load of money to make it handle anywhere close to decent.
3. The motor is heavy and doesn't put out much power given it's size.
4. The build quality is terrible.
5. The chassis design is over 30 years old.
6. Weight..nuff said.
Why do I say this? For one, I've gone through 1 O2 sensor, 2, yes TWO, cylinder heads due to faulty plug design, and countless dollars to get 5-10 hp.
Do I love my car, of course. If not, I wouldn't be a mod here. But the sad fact is that it isn't all conquering.
DBMSTNG said:are you sure? i found 3 different websites that list them at $89,500 and none mention anything about them being imported or modified. another lists the price in yen (5,168,000 - 5,678,000) for the R-33 as $51,000 - $57,000 IN Japan.
EDIT: as for the MotoRex stuff, i'm pretty sure the $40k was for a USED Skyline before conversion.
deftsound said:I agree a freakin 75,000 skyline will outperform a mustang any day. No one is disputing that......
deftsound said:RICER get outta here go buy a freakin civic thats blasphemysan~man said:Originally Posted by san~man
I beg to differ on that statement. In no way is that motor a POS. Modded, that 6 makes as much or MORE than an 8 4V. I would take a Skyline left hand drive in an instant over a Mustang. Sorry, but it's a far superior car in every way, save looks, which is purely subjective.
deftsound said:Your not even considering the fact that a mustang gt, which mind you stock for stock can keep up if not beat almost any other sports car for the price, IS ONLY 25000 BRAND NEW!
Not to mention the modular 4.6l motor is actually a pretty modern piece of machinery...
I dont care how modern and high tech those motors are you can spend 6k on a crate engine from jegs that puts out 500hp lets see you spend 6k on a skyline motor and get 500hp out of it...
McTeague said:You people need to be realistic...
My 100% stock four door 1998 Honda Civic easily out handles my Mustang
san~man said:I'm sure they may Mike, and ya, maybe I got a "Friday" car.
All I intended in my response is that the Skyline motor wasn't a POS like stated. Of course it isn't a "fair" comparison, but it's the comparison that was was justified to make a point.
The comparison between the GT motor and the Skyline motor was also justified IMO.
CdnNavybob said:I'm gonna have to call you on this one. Maybe it has better street manners but I raced against a stock late 90's Civic a few weeks ago. I passed him like he was standing still lap after lap after lap. My only handling mod is subframe connectors. It wasn't just my straight line speed that was doing it either because other cars with under 150HP but with good handling were turning similar times to me. The Civic was even getting beaten by two modified Neons.
san~man said:Keep up? Yes, in a straight line of course. But throw in a turn or two, or more, and you'd better have done your suspension homework to make our pig's ancient 4 link rear suspension perform better than it does straight from the factory. BTW, there are some of us who occasionally take a turn or two. Unless of course that closed-minded box you live in only has straight roads.
The 4.6L modern? A 2V motor with no variable valve timing (pre-05) that makes 260 crank HP? No, sorry to say, it ISN'T modern. It IS inefficient to say the least. Powdered metal internals that handle like 450 HP at the high end? Modern? Not really.
And no, you don't have to spend 6k to get 500 HP out of a Skyline/Supra motor. A simple manual boost controller and some other parts will get you a lot more power for a small price. I bet it's safe to say under 1k, or at MOST 2k.
This discussion is obviously going no where....
deftsound said:Your not even considering the fact that a mustang gt, which mind you stock for stock can keep up if not beat almost any other sports car for the price, IS ONLY 25000 BRAND NEW!
Not to mention the modular 4.6l motor is actually a pretty modern piece of machinery...
I dont care how modern and high tech those motors are you can spend 6k on a crate engine from jegs that puts out 500hp lets see you spend 6k on a skyline motor and get 500hp out of it...
deftsound said:You still havent addressed the fact that a skyline is 75,000 and a mustang is 25,000. A fairer comparison would be a skylinle versus a zo6 with its so ancient pushrod motor....
san~man said:So compare that then. A 6 or 7L 8 cylinder motor versus a 3.XL straight 6 that "can" make as much power?
Handling...winner, Skyline
Engine...Tie at worst, depending on how you compare them
Technology...winner, Skyline
Price....depends on model versus model
Any other questions?
Hmmm, my Honda has double wishbone four wheel independent suspension with true mcphaerson strut setup. But yeah, the difference is cause I do not know how to drivesvttech76 said:AGREED +1,000,000,000
some people confuse handling with street manners and smoothness in turns. Plus unskilled drivers find it much easier to get the most out of FWD cars that tend to understeer.
san~man said:So compare that then. A 6 or 7L 8 cylinder motor versus a 3.XL straight 6 that "can" make as much power?
Handling...winner, Skyline
Engine...Tie at worst, depending on how you compare them
Technology...winner, Skyline
Price....depends on model versus model
Any other questions?
DBMSTNG said:i beg to differ.
Handling
a little research led me to find skidpad #'s for a stock R34 GT-R at 0.89. good yes, but not great. the new Z06 is .98-1.00+ on the skidpad. as far as slalom speed, the R34 is 68.1mph. again good, but not enough to beat the Z06's 70.4mph. granted, i don't normally take too much stock in either of those numbers, but it's hard to ignore such a disparity.
Technology/engine
you keep neglecting to mention that the I6 has twin turbos. displacement isn't everything. my 2V is making about as much horsepower as a Viper 8.3L V10. it doesn't make it any more technologically advanced than the V10 just because it can make the same power with forced induction. turbos are simple in design and function, then been around for a century. the 2.6L R34 engine with 12psi is about equal to a 4.7L n/a V8 in terms of airflow. hmmm, let's see, do we know of any n/a V8's in the 4.7L range that make 320hp? take away the turbos, and you're looking at approx 177 N/A hp out of the 2.6L. suprisingly similar to the old Ford 2.5L Duratec V6. if you wish to do the math on your own, just remember that atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7psi and the rest is simple math.
Price
Z06 - $66,000 today
R34 - $89,500 1999-2001
now i'm not bashing the Skyline, it's a great car. i'm not bashing boost either. i love boost. but what i will say is that thanks to the uninformed rice movement, the Skyline is overhyped when considering price. if you want to compare boosted car vs boosted car, the Corvette Stingray should be out in about a year or so.