351CJ said:
Since a 351 Cleveland weights approx. 550 lb, I doubt that the Mustang II went on the scales with one under it's hatch.
Here is one source that lists the weight of a 75 Mustang 2 V8 @ 3265 lb, 25 lb less than I showed above, but still pretty heavy.
http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/history_50vs46.htm
Road & Track tested a 74,
V6 hatchback and gave its weight at
3,120 lb., again tha's for a V6!
http://www.mustangii.net/articles/mustangii_machi_74.asp
For a 1974 2.8 L V6 I show a weight of 305 lb, while a 1975 302 (all iron) weighs in @ 460 lb. So the V8 starts at 155 lb heavier BEFORE you start adding all the other heavier V8 hardware, springs, shocks, tires, trannie, etc. So 3,120 lb + 155 lb = 3,275 lb. similar to the previously quote V8 Mustang II weights.
Gezz..what some people do to prove such a small point of contention!
It's apparent that you either didn't get my reply as a joke, or just don't like hearing one when you comment? You also mistakenly assumed that I meant a 351C, when in fact the lighter 351W would be the more common, easier, and logical swap.
Now, just to play along with this game, I have included what I feel to be a more accurate source of vehicle weights into the hypothetical scenerio.
http://www.mustangii.net/1976/76_mvma_27.asp
Now, the car I was referring to would have been a base 3 dr model 69R weighing in at 2931...2.8 V6 auto! This would explain the whole reason for the purchase and desire by the owner to replace the engine with the 351W that is riding in the hatch, and why I felt your 3290 lb example inaccurate.
Not challenging, and using your weight figures for the addition of a V8 in the hatch at appx 460 pounds (since it isn't a Cleveland), the actual total would work out more like this: 2931+460=3461. Thats 171 lbs more than your 3290 example, but close enough answer for a joke, I would think. Point is, a 4 or 6 cyl II with a V8 in the hatch would account for the bulk of the extra weight over most other II's, which probably do weigh closer to 3000 lbs total. Sorry, but I never put a lot of "weight" into specs given in magazine articles or road tests. Simply too many variables and questionable factory cars used.
I've never bothered to spend lots of time researching and sweating the small stuff either. In the big picture, it usually doesn't mean much worth getting all worked up over. I've been content using the listed weight of 3016 as stated on my registration, as being "in the ballpark" and good enough for the sake of most casual discussion. Using the table here, and adding all the options I have in my car, actually gives me a more accurate total of 3371. So, as I see it...3371-3016= a difference in error of 355 lbs. OHHH...My bad! Such is the case, when someone makes an assumption based upon possible inaccurate information. But, I don't think my car will run any slower tomorrow on account of it.
However, you are somewhat guilty of the same too, especially since I consider your sources being somewhat less accurate than the MVMA specs. Using the 3371 and subtracting the 3275 in your example, still gives a difference of 96 lbs. So, you aren't entirely correct either... and I had already conceded the point anyway in an earlier post in this thread. But, I will give you the win, since your error is less, you made a valid point, and I'm a good sport. So, how about... you can have the candy bar, I'll keep the wrapper, OK?
Bottom line? Definitions are subjective. What may be considered heavy to you may not be to me. In the big picture, pony cars are relative lightweights. No Mustang has ever been too heavy to lose on the street or the track, unless the driver has miscalculated his competition. Comparing apples to oranges never results in an answer that appeases everyone.
I don't believe I made the claim that the II was lightest Mustang made, couldn't be over any specific weight, nor made reference to the weights of the first gen or Fox cars in the first place. In fact, the only real reason a Mustang II or SN95 or '05 might be considered heavy, is to those making a comparison, and using the 2700 weight of the early cars as a baseline. Since this wasn't even near the point of the post, why make a big deal over the weight of an extra passenger?
oliverqueen.........great points! Some 71-73's certainly had some real power... but all the "hype" that surrounded the II, plus it's lack of a V8 offering in 1974, made it the logical scapegoat!