Woah!! Cup Holders! Have You All Seen This

Reddevil91

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Which stuff did you try? VHT used to have a color that was pretty close "Dark Rose Red" or something like that. I dyed all my stuff black.

I'm thinking about ordering a can of this stuff just to see how close it is:
https://lmr.com/item/MET-FV21/84-86-Mustang-Canyon-Red-Vinyl-Interior-Paint
Yup that’s what I used, went through all the steps, but it just still looks uneven and dull. I spoke with someone at lmr, pending the email, have to explain my steps, how much I used and how many coats etc. add some pics. They said it may have been a bad batch and they will make it right so I can fix the problem if that is the case. A620B4E6-E239-4340-B10D-86FB9882FE1B.jpeg
 
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When I did it I was getting similar results and honestly I went heavy on the last 3 coats and it came out decent. I went through 4 cans total on the cup holder and console delete
 
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Ok so can number two done, not gonna lie I sat there and shook this can for 10 minutes lol. This after the second can and I’m still not impressed. I’m doing this in the garage, then I’ll crack the door open to let it air out. Not sure if the spray can just sucked or I just suck and I’m doing something wrong. Shouldn’t be this difficult should it???? All I can think to do is try the SEM Napa red.
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Main thing I see is called 'blushing'. That causes the unevenness in color and the lackluster sheen. It is a form of solvent pop. Meaning the surface dries before the solvents used to make the product sprayable have a chance to escape the wet under layer. It's basically a shtload of itty bitty tiny holes in the surface of the coating. The solvents 'pop' through the top dried layer.

Blushing usually occurs when the coats are applied too rapidly after the previous coating, or they are applied too heavy.

What wasn't the base color (or original color of the piece)?

Ignoring the sheen and blotchiness, does the color come close to what you're wanting?
 

Reddevil91

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ok pardon the obvious questions as you won't get good results without them
  • did you use prep spray
  • did you use a primer
I used the SEM vinyl prep spray that came one the kit. I first scuffed the console with a grey scotch brite then cleaned with the prep spray as they did in the lmr video. I did not use a primer, should I have?
 

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Main thing I see is called 'blushing'. That causes the unevenness in color and the lackluster sheen. It is a form of solvent pop. Meaning the surface dries before the solvents used to make the product sprayable have a chance to escape the wet under layer. It's basically a shtload of itty bitty tiny holes in the surface of the coating. The solvents 'pop' through the top dried layer.

Blushing usually occurs when the coats are applied too rapidly after the previous coating, or they are applied too heavy.

What wasn't the base color (or original color of the piece)?

Ignoring the sheen and blotchiness, does the color come close to what you're wanting?
So the original color of the piece is straight from lmr the grey color. I tried to spray a light coat just getting some color on there, let it dry, followed by the same process. It would spray clear then come out with the pigment. I would shake up the can again and it spray pigment then get kind of clear. I have a 91 with scarlet red interior. I guess it’s in the same area but not near my original, I mean in this pic I just scrubbed and cleaned all the interior so it’s shiny but I wouldn’t call it close.
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I've recently started restoring a scarlet red interior (including the LMR cupholder and console delete) and intermittently got those same results, "cloudy" areas. @Davedacarpainter is the pro, but from the research I did humidity can cause this also. Love that porno red!
 

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When I did it I was getting similar results and honestly I went heavy on the last 3 coats and it came out decent. I went through 4 cans total on the cup holder and console delete
4 cans?

I think I used 1/2 a can of the SEM paint to do two consoles and a few other small interior pieces.
 

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I've recently started restoring a scarlet red interior (including the LMR cupholder and console delete) and intermittently got those same results, "cloudy" areas. @Davedacarpainter is the pro, but from the research I did humidity can cause this also. Love that porno red!
Oh yeah buddy me to! I’ll see what he responds to and take any tips and tricks to make this look better and match as best as possible.
 

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4 cans?

I think I used 1/2 a can of the SEM paint to do two consoles and a few other small interior pieces.
Wow what! I know I thought 2 cans would have done it, and maybe I could have touched up a few other areas in the car, but that was the final result with two cans. Obviously whatever they use isn’t up to quality of SEM. It’s weird they give you a can of SEM vinyl prep so why not their spray cans? I saw things about humidity but I live I Austin tx and was doing this in a closed garage. Should I not be?
 

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I believe SEM makes the vinyl dye for them.
Yeah it’s called Napa red idk the numbers, I’m just wondering why the lmr kit comes with the SEM cleaner but they use their own in house or china whatever it is spray cans. I asked the guys at lmr if they have had issues with their scarlet red dye previously and it was kind of a meeehhh yes no answer, sounds like they’ve maybe had issues with the pigment not mixing well and causing it to look like mine did. Still pending to hear from them and see what they can do for me, if not I’ll order a can of SEM nap red off eBay.
 

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Wow what! I know I thought 2 cans would have done it, and maybe I could have touched up a few other areas in the car, but that was the final result with two cans. Obviously whatever they use isn’t up to quality of SEM. It’s weird they give you a can of SEM vinyl prep so why not their spray cans? I saw things about humidity but I live I Austin tx and was doing this in a closed garage. Should I not be?
I didn't even use the vinyl prep.

1 can of SEM black, some scotch brite, and a wash in soap/water prior to paint. It's been a year and it's held up wonderfully. No scratches at all, and I do use my cupholder.

I actually did a test paint on a spare console lid I had painting the underside and top, letting it dry and then scratching it up and it held. Only then did I do the LRS cupholder console. So less than 1 can of the SEM stuff painted the top and bottom of two of those consoles. I still have plenty of paint for other stuff...maybe it's less than 1/2 can but I could definitely paint a few small pieces with it.

Of course, I don't know if there would be any technical difference between the black and red. The black coated very thickly and dried in a matter of seconds VERY evenly. I didn't really need many coats.

As for humidity? I did it in winter when there wasn't any humidity.
 

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Well sent some stuff to lmr and they agree that the color match was um hmmm crappy as well. Seems like they are going to send me another pair of cans to try. Now can I just continue spraying over what I’ve done and be ok?
 

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I'd prob rescuff it up with some scotch brite and then go over it
So would rescuffing and cleaning again with that SEM vinyl and prep cleaner be good? I did notice that with that cleaner after I sprayed it and wiped it down it got sticky could that be causing a problem?
 

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I used almost 2 cans, wasn't happy with the results, ordered 2 more rescuffed and went at it again with some heavy coats. If you see the paint drying before your finished it will look chalky. Mine came out ok but the color does not match. It has a brown in it that's not in the original color. The original Scarlet Red interior pieces are bright friggen red. As for my method, I don't know jack about painting so I just sprayed it until it was even and shiny. Here is the final result.

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I have to say I’m not too pleased with the paint at all. I used a whole can on mine and the paint match isn’t great at all. I think the original color matched better. Not nearly as shiny as the original interior. Just for giggles, I took a mr. clean pad to an inconspicuous area on the plastic to get through the “aged” plastic and no difference. This car has been garaged it’s whole life and I’m in WA so not as sunny as most of the US. Love the functionality and fit though.

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