HairyCanary said:The downside to the Mustang will be the stick axle, if that bothers you. I've learned to live with it and actually enjoy it -- it does hop sideways a bit over big bumps, but unless you actually drive over a really washboard surface, it doesn't have any real effect on where the car is going.
Dave
Except that the STi has 25% driveline loss with the AWD. That's 225 to the wheels, which is roughly what the GT puts down with only 15% driveline loss.Jerm95gt said:1) 300bhp is a lot more than the 260 that the gt produces so it's a lot closer to cobra territory than a gt.
Lame excuse? It's reality. Go ahead, drop the clutch at 6000 RPM with the STi. You will get five or ten good launches that way before you leave pieces of the drivetrain lying on the ground.2) you say if youi launch the car like a cobra? honestly you must know zero about drag racing and a lot about making lame excuses. obviously if you don't try a car to it's ability it's going to be slower.
The STi is 3263 with no options. That's a bit more than "barely 3k".4) The subaru is barely 3k while the cobra is like 3600, so now the horsepower/weight ratio gap isn't so big.
That's true as a general rule. The STi in particular, though, has already acquired a bad reputation for blowing up the motor. The N/A and boosted V8's from Ford do not have that reputation. I know a guy locally who's putting down a bit over 700 horsepower at the wheels with his 2003 Cobra. Try that with the 2.5L engine in the STi. Better have a big wallet.6)A turbo car is not less reliable than a na v8 especially when it comes from ford.
HairyCanary said:Except that the STi has 25% driveline loss with the AWD. That's 225 to the wheels, which is roughly what the GT puts down with only 15% driveline loss.
Lame excuse? It's reality. Go ahead, drop the clutch at 6000 RPM with the STi. You will get five or ten good launches that way before you leave pieces of the drivetrain lying on the ground.
The STi is 3263 with no options. That's a bit more than "barely 3k".
That's true as a general rule. The STi in particular, though, has already acquired a bad reputation for blowing up the motor. The N/A and boosted V8's from Ford do not have that reputation. I know a guy locally who's putting down a bit over 700 horsepower at the wheels with his 2003 Cobra. Try that with the 2.5L engine in the STi. Better have a big wallet.
Fact is, the STi is a solid high-13, low-14 car for most drivers, and anybody unwilling to blow it up to get the best times. The Cobra is a whole different type of car, and will cream the STi in a straight line without even trying. This is not necessarily a negative thing for the STi, it's claim to fame has never been straight line speed.
Dave
Sxhawnn said:Cool Thread, I just bought an Evo after going back and forth between a mustang, Evo, Sti, and recently a 300C. I had to take the Evo cause i got it for 25 . Ionno all these arguments kinda make sense but after driving the Evo its clear that 4 wheel drive rally cars are just not in the same category as V8 American muscle. Not to say that one is better or superior, they're just different. I think i'm qualified to say so because the Evo is pretty similiar to the STi. I've carved mountain rounds at 60 miles an hour without any problems in the Evo but I would get owned by a mach 1 with a couple bolt ons at the drag strip. One extra thing that I really enjoy about these turboed 4 bangers is the fact that their turboed. The sensation of speed when you hit about 3500 rpms is just f'in amazing.
And to respond to the previous post thats simply retarded, no one built the Sti or the Evo for the drag strip and i garuntee you no Evo or Sti owner really gives a damn. The Cobra isn't .4 faster on 0-60 as many reliable magazines rate them about .2 apart. You can't really compare an STi and a Cobra with such a one dimensional mindset. What happens when you actually have to TURN the damn car? What happens when you put your mustang on a freeway with a high end turbo charged vehicle. In terms of quality and performance OVERALL, (not in a straight line) the Evo and the STi has been tested with actual supercars and exotics meaning the ferraris and such and hung in there pretty well. It really depends on what you want. I respect mustangs for all their power and potential but I'd personally go with the Sti.
Sxhawnn said:BTW... Why not an EVO? It beats an Sti in just about every test they've done, yea yea i know magazine racing, but still its like 3 Gs cheaper and you dun have to buy "options" like a god damn radio. Which basically makes it like 5gs cheaper. I mean if money isn't really an issue go ahead cause your basically gonna have to pay a nice mark up if you want an EVO or an STi in the first place. Unless you buy yours about 3000 miles used and get a 5 k discount like me .