Sold ricer for v8!!... Will i regret it?
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The suburu is a cool car. A bunch of my friends have them and they have poured a bundle of money to get them going fast. They also run low 13s with poor launches... mostly because they don't to abuse the tranny and to upgrade to an sti tranny its like 6 grand. The handling on the Suburu is a little wierd to me. Not having driven them too much it does have a bit of understeer. The Mustang will have no problem getting the rear to come out. The 5.0 platform has a lot of potential and with your current plans for the chassis you are headed the right direction. The Mustang can out handle the Subaru as long as its dry and not on dirt. I have read of one hitting 1.3 Gs. The Mustang will not hook up as good as the WRX but thats a given but once it does hook, you will out pull the WRX. The only things that I would substitue in your engine is the domed pistons and the cam. Your cam doesnt have a good power band. Its good for 3300-5100 I believe. I would, for a street car, get something that has a better power band. Something that isn't too radical would be something like the trickflow track heat stage one. Anybody chime in please let me know if there is a better suggestion. Its power band is from 2500-6500. A loud or lopey cam should be the last of your worries. The supercharger is going to be noisy enough so you can forget about not drawing attension... If you are gonna go as far as to put a supercharger on... you might as well maximize its usefullness and get a well suited cam. Also consider getting a cam according to your smog laws BTW.
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Michael Yount
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"The Mustang can out handle the Subaru as long as its dry and not on dirt."
For a fox body, I suppose the key word here is "can" -- as long as can is defined to mean 'has the potential to if you invest a boatload of money in complete suspension, wheel, tire and unibody stiffening components'. Even then, the Subie's always gonna be able to put the power down sooner coming out of turns because of the traction advanatage. When it comes to handling in the dry, the Subaru will walk all over a stock-suspended fox body; if it's wet/dirt/snow/slippery - the difference becomes laughable. Invest the same $ in the Subie's suspension that you'd have to invest in the Mustang's to achieve some kind of equality with the stock Subaru, and the Subie's gonna be that much quicker.
No, you better invest in the boost. Cause when it comes to stopping and turning (even in the dry) - you're gonna need all the straightaway speed you can muster in the Stang to try and keep up with the WRX.
For a fox body, I suppose the key word here is "can" -- as long as can is defined to mean 'has the potential to if you invest a boatload of money in complete suspension, wheel, tire and unibody stiffening components'. Even then, the Subie's always gonna be able to put the power down sooner coming out of turns because of the traction advanatage. When it comes to handling in the dry, the Subaru will walk all over a stock-suspended fox body; if it's wet/dirt/snow/slippery - the difference becomes laughable. Invest the same $ in the Subie's suspension that you'd have to invest in the Mustang's to achieve some kind of equality with the stock Subaru, and the Subie's gonna be that much quicker.
No, you better invest in the boost. Cause when it comes to stopping and turning (even in the dry) - you're gonna need all the straightaway speed you can muster in the Stang to try and keep up with the WRX.
meze1111 said:Ok, i previously owned a Subaru wrx, Loved it i put alot of work into that car and it was beutiful. It was about a low 13 sec car w/ the 0-60 of like 4 seconds literaly awd was amazing droping from 6k its like 1 g haha. Well the time came where I was use to the speed but, didnt want to upgrade more because of the transmissions in wrx if u didnt know are not very strong. So lots of my friends convinced me to go v8 I refer it to the "dark side". So I looked around played with some ideas and came accross a 5.0 project. Decided to go w/ it. Its a 93 I'm having the following things done to it. + a few odds and ends but this is the basic idea.
Engine rebuilt w/ forged (domed) pistons newRings bearings, oil pump, Custom head work, Aft mrkt intake, throttle body, injectors, control arms. Motor set up for vortec supercharger at 10psi (for now). 3.73 gears, disc breaks all the way around. 5 lug conversion 03 cobra's w/ 275's front and back. B-303 cams welded torque boxes, subframe connectors flow master exhaust, X pipe (no cats) shorty headers. New clutch, cowl hood, saleen spoiler and painted black w/ black leather interior.
Thats all that i can think of. But my question is will i regret it?
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Are you going to be running 10psi on a stock block?... Even if it is rebuilt,I don't know how reliable your block would be. Look into a new block imo.
bluevenom867
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How about a turbo set-up on it?
You don't see as many turbo set-ups as you do superchargers.10psi is fine on a stock block as long as your not beating on it.Hell even the subie whould break if you were out every weekend at the track like some of you.
You don't see as many turbo set-ups as you do superchargers.10psi is fine on a stock block as long as your not beating on it.Hell even the subie whould break if you were out every weekend at the track like some of you.
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bgjohnson
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i have a trickflow stg 1 cam, and i like it alot, it is a bit higher of a cam still, but it uses better technology in the design of the cam to help give it more low end, but still scream like a banshee up top,it's hard to keep a constant RPM when burning out, it just wants to keep goin. i've very happy with my setup and it was pretty cost effective, so if you have any question about don't hestitate to ask.
stangbear427
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You wouldn't think a post like that one was a gross understatement, but it is. A stock Mustang handles great for what it is: the best "bang for the buck" ponycar of it's time. For a Fox, that means its a fun, affordable, torquey little semi-sports car that had every possible corner cut to keep costs down without sacrificing too much fun in the process; and until next year, on a family car platform to boot. (Fairmont? WTF kinda sports car was that?!) The inherent suspension design problems are ridiculous. There are several Fox's in here that can and do run with the Germans easily, even in competition- but be prepaired to budget at least $4K in parts (more like $6-8K) for that level of handling. It can be done.Michael Yount said:
Take a look at my page for an idea of what it takes;
http://www.rankmyride.com/?page=cars/view&CID=6187
or for the big picture check out this guys car
http://www.iowa91lx.stangnet.com/index.html
or even better, this guys car
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/jfrank01/mustang/jf.html
Will you miss the Subie? We aren't the one's to ask. Is it a daily driver? Do you ever see snow? If so, you'll miss it the first time the snow falls. Otherwise, How should we know? This isn't like going from a Camaro to a Firebird, it's apples and oranges. You either like citrus better, or you don't. It's an individual's call. Let us know what conclusion you come to
As far as the cam is concerned, stay away from large amounts of duration. You dont need a lot of cam to make a blown engine sing. Too much duration can kill the boost level in the chamber due to possible valve overlap. This overlap could cause some of the building pressure to escape through a late closing valve. It also depends on what you are willing to tolerate for streetability and what power range you want to work with.
Michael Yount said:
sounds like you don't like GMs. Why? yes chevys are mass produced trucks with ugly front ends, but i would buy a fleet for my business, if i had one. escalades are getting old put still pimp. chevy cobalts are pretty neat. and oh yea GMC, thats the greatest truck i have ever owned 1/2 ton crew cab quadrasteer 4X4 every option you could think of including automatic folding mirros. GM is a thriving business, probly better off than Ford. But GM didn't come up with mustang so fords my vote.
stangbear427
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Not to mention, the Mustang was so much more popular that GM stopped making their ponycars. Quitters. 
I don't think Yount was flaming GM as a company, quality, or commodity, so much as pointing out that they have nothing in, say, the Evo/WRX class that can hold a candle to either; and there really isn't any excuse for not integrating the things Subaru has done so very right that GM seems to be completely ignoring in the youth driven performance arena (i.e.the ones who couldn't dream about a new Vette and wouldn't be caught dead in the rental car GTO even if it does have six gears) What do they come up with? The Saturn Redline. Give me a break. Nothing in the price bracket that even HOTROD Magazine would be dumb enough to put in the ring with a Terminator (can you say WRX STi?) for a shootout. OR the or the young-middle age/small family market who would find a Grand Prix GT just as impractical as a Firebird; what they really want is a reliable, economical paddywagon that handles like a mountain goat in any conditions and flat out hauls when you want it to for under $30K. GM should be watching Subaru very closely, but instead they seem to be studying retiring school teachers and mid life crisis single Dads. Sad...
I don't think Yount was flaming GM as a company, quality, or commodity, so much as pointing out that they have nothing in, say, the Evo/WRX class that can hold a candle to either; and there really isn't any excuse for not integrating the things Subaru has done so very right that GM seems to be completely ignoring in the youth driven performance arena (i.e.the ones who couldn't dream about a new Vette and wouldn't be caught dead in the rental car GTO even if it does have six gears) What do they come up with? The Saturn Redline. Give me a break. Nothing in the price bracket that even HOTROD Magazine would be dumb enough to put in the ring with a Terminator (can you say WRX STi?) for a shootout. OR the or the young-middle age/small family market who would find a Grand Prix GT just as impractical as a Firebird; what they really want is a reliable, economical paddywagon that handles like a mountain goat in any conditions and flat out hauls when you want it to for under $30K. GM should be watching Subaru very closely, but instead they seem to be studying retiring school teachers and mid life crisis single Dads. Sad...
Michael Yount
Mustang Master
"GM should be watching Subaru very closely, but instead they seem to be studying retiring school teachers and mid life crisis single Dads. Sad..."
Couldn't have said it better - I was definitely flaming GM. My first car was a '55. You don't even have to say the make - people knew what '55 meant. Unfortunately, things have changed, and not for the better. The last 30 years of leadership at GM have done everything they can to kill the company. But for GM's sheer size, they would've succeeded.
They've taken the market for granted, and they stopped 'leading' about 30 years ago. While they're having some niche success with Vette and some Caddy's, it's too little too late. The rest of the entire lineup is built for markets that are literally dying out from under them. GM has never been successful at building a small car. They can't even copy someone else's. Far and away their best small cars have been built joint venture with Toyota at NUMMI. Their truck line is under fire from increasing competition domestic and import, not to mention oil prices. And they have absolutely nothing that competes in the Civic/Corolla/Camry/Accord category. Without that, they'll continue to decline. I recently rented (business) and new Malibu Max for a 600 mile round trip. What a piece of crap. I drive that, and then I get in a rental Mazda, or Subaru, or Toyota - and I just can't understand why anyone would buy a Malibu. That's Chevy's Accord/Camry competitor. What a shame.
They should pay attention to Subaru. There's not a hotter car company out there right now. Great new product and quality/reliability. STI runs low 13's. WRX runs low 14's. The new Forrester XT wagon (soccer mom mini-sport-ute)runs 13.8 w/210HP manual tranny. The new Legacy sedan runs 14.2 at 3600 lbs. w/turbo 2.5L. Great stuff! They're looking better than they ever have, and their owners just love the cars - they have Volvo-like loyalty. Lord knows they needed it for years - 'cause their cars were butt-ugly; but not anymore. Yup - GM has fundamental problems that don't look solvable without MAJOR structural and leadership changes. Subaru can help.
By the way - I don't think Ford is in much better shape than GM. They have the same structural problems - no small/mid-size cars that are competitive with the Japanese, and truck lines under fire from competition and oil prices. They can't build the cars we like (like the new stang) unless they get the rest of their product line straightened out.
Couldn't have said it better - I was definitely flaming GM. My first car was a '55. You don't even have to say the make - people knew what '55 meant. Unfortunately, things have changed, and not for the better. The last 30 years of leadership at GM have done everything they can to kill the company. But for GM's sheer size, they would've succeeded.
They've taken the market for granted, and they stopped 'leading' about 30 years ago. While they're having some niche success with Vette and some Caddy's, it's too little too late. The rest of the entire lineup is built for markets that are literally dying out from under them. GM has never been successful at building a small car. They can't even copy someone else's. Far and away their best small cars have been built joint venture with Toyota at NUMMI. Their truck line is under fire from increasing competition domestic and import, not to mention oil prices. And they have absolutely nothing that competes in the Civic/Corolla/Camry/Accord category. Without that, they'll continue to decline. I recently rented (business) and new Malibu Max for a 600 mile round trip. What a piece of crap. I drive that, and then I get in a rental Mazda, or Subaru, or Toyota - and I just can't understand why anyone would buy a Malibu. That's Chevy's Accord/Camry competitor. What a shame.
They should pay attention to Subaru. There's not a hotter car company out there right now. Great new product and quality/reliability. STI runs low 13's. WRX runs low 14's. The new Forrester XT wagon (soccer mom mini-sport-ute)runs 13.8 w/210HP manual tranny. The new Legacy sedan runs 14.2 at 3600 lbs. w/turbo 2.5L. Great stuff! They're looking better than they ever have, and their owners just love the cars - they have Volvo-like loyalty. Lord knows they needed it for years - 'cause their cars were butt-ugly; but not anymore. Yup - GM has fundamental problems that don't look solvable without MAJOR structural and leadership changes. Subaru can help.
By the way - I don't think Ford is in much better shape than GM. They have the same structural problems - no small/mid-size cars that are competitive with the Japanese, and truck lines under fire from competition and oil prices. They can't build the cars we like (like the new stang) unless they get the rest of their product line straightened out.
Michael Yount
Mustang Master
You'll probably get lots of different opinions in response to your question. To be fair, I suppose I'd have to say that the cobra is a reasonable handling car considering it's weight, and how much of that weight is on the front tires.
Of course, it's not so much tire size as it is achieving a complimentary match of suspension components, chassis stiffening and wheel/tire combination.
Of course, it's not so much tire size as it is achieving a complimentary match of suspension components, chassis stiffening and wheel/tire combination.
Stang8URMPRT
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The 03 Cobra does not have the same wheel wells, spindles, or wheels/backspacing as a Fox does (Your 93) You can fit some 245s up there, but no more.
As far as your dome pistons with a supercharger.. LOL Anyway... High compression and boost don't mix when you want driveablity. If you want to run 116 octane and a DFI system, then go for it and put domes with a s/cer.
As far as your dome pistons with a supercharger.. LOL Anyway... High compression and boost don't mix when you want driveablity. If you want to run 116 octane and a DFI system, then go for it and put domes with a s/cer.
stockhatch
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