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skywalker
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Just do me a favor: for the love of God make sure you know how to clear a weapons jam. Learn the meaning of the term immediate action and intermediate action and above all "Tap-Rack-Bang."
StangDreamin'
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NoKitten said:
Oh, Gawd, I was afraid it was gonna happen. When the Beretta 92FS "joined" the military; it brought along its greasey-faced brother, Mr "Spray-and-Pray"
Please tell me they aren't now teaching the "septuple-tap" 
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skywalker
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NoKitten said:
IF YOU DROP THAT MAG YOU'RE A DEAD MAN!!!!!!
It's TAP RACK BANG that's immediate action.
Tap the bottom of the mag (more like bang or slap) rack the bolt back to the rear and then fire away: tap - rack - bang.
You do what you just described and you'll be like Jessica Lynch.
Intermediate action is in a case like a double feed. You first take cover, then lock the bolt back and clear the rounds from the chamber, remove the mag IF and ONLY IF necessary and them slap the mag in and send the bolt forward and fire away.
A saw is a lot of fun. So is a 240G, and a ma deuce, and a GAU, but it's hard to bullseye someone's head with a single shot at 500 yards with a fully automatic weapon. But you CAN do that with an M-16. Pretty easily too.
God almighty, where does the army get this crap?!
StangDreamin'
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12 gauge. 3" magnum rounds. Buffered 2x4 duplex loads. An average 15 .25cal balls and 16-18 .17cal balls; all going downrange at one squeeze of the trigger. Repeat twice; five times if you've pulled the hunting plug out.
If you're dealing with larger game (or "well-medicated" dorks); switch to #00 loads - only 11-12 balls/trigger, but they're all .32caliber
Of course, there's nothing like a .54cal sabot round; but I need to wear my (bifocal) glasses to reliably stay in the x-ring with them
If you're dealing with larger game (or "well-medicated" dorks); switch to #00 loads - only 11-12 balls/trigger, but they're all .32caliber
Of course, there's nothing like a .54cal sabot round; but I need to wear my (bifocal) glasses to reliably stay in the x-ring with them
StangDreamin' said:Of course, there's nothing like a .54cal sabot round; but I need to wear my (bifocal) glasses to reliably stay in the x-ring with them
Ya.....of gotta wear my sunglasses, plus alot of SPF4500!65stanger said:
jes72mustang
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My days in the Army M-16 was still the mainstay, but after having worked with the Navy for a few years, I'll take the Tomahawk Cruise missile anyday. You don't have the after effect of the nukes, but you can sit safely off the coast and lob those suckers with all the accuracy in the world.
skywalker
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StangDreamin' said:12 gauge. 3" magnum rounds. Buffered 2x4 duplex loads. An average 15 .25cal balls and 16-18 .17cal balls; all going downrange at one squeeze of the trigger. Repeat twice; five times if you've pulled the hunting plug out.
If you're dealing with larger game (or "well-medicated" dorks); switch to #00 loads - only 11-12 balls/trigger, but they're all .32caliber
Of course, there's nothing like a .54cal sabot round; but I need to wear my (bifocal) glasses to reliably stay in the x-ring with them
As for shotguns, I LOOOOOVED the Bernoulli semi-auto that I got to shoot once at the proving grounds. Almost no kick thanks to th ebuffer spring...jsut enought o know you were firing a shotgun. LOOOOTSA power.
M16A2 is still the mainstay in the Marine Corps. The M16A4 is coming around a bit and MEU dets sometimes see M4A1s (carbine version of the M16, more or less the same weapon.)
Every fire team, however, will have a SAW and an M203.
Dear God, I'd love to talk to the moron who told that kid to drop his mag. You never drop the mag unless you're under really good cover and have no other choice. The time lost searching for that mag in a panic and then reinserting it in a panic is enough time to get killed 10 times. I know this, and I'm not a grunt!
StangDreamin'
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Well, I guess, if you just can't handle a shotugn unless it has a recoil action and buffers on top of that to boot.skywalker said:
Guess I'll just stick to the old-fashioned pump-action Winchester - though I have to admit that I've grown weak and installed a Pachmayr shock-buff pad. I've shot the civilian AR-15 a few times, and it's a good piece. However, I know an old Korea and VietNam vet whose one exclamation about the M16 goes something like: "No matter how much powder you put in the case; it's still just a .22!"
I'm not so sure that the term "Drop the mag" is supposed to be a literal term! You guys in the Corps need to study up on alliteration! Even out here in the civilian world; FA instructors have royal conniption fits when they hear the sound of a mag buttplate smacking the concrete
Even if nobody is trying to kill you; that mag is still gonna be useless if the buttplate had enough "bounce" in it to flip the mag over to land on its feed-lips. EDIT: You drop the pinkie finger of your "shooting hand" off the grip frame/mag well to capture the magazine part-way out of the mag well. Leave it ther while you cycle the action (in the case of a failure to fire), THEN tap-rack-bang! And, just for you; I've already gone back and "fixed" all the times I inadvertantly called the mag a "Clip"!
pabear89
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NoKitten, Hang in there it does get better.I got the motor in CatStang,and it purrs pretty good
with all those no name aftermaket parts.
PB
skywalker said:
ok, MARINE..... Around here, your Tap-Rack-Bang goes by an acronymm SPORTS (slap,pull,observe,release,tap,squeeze). And we still get sh***y mags on qual day that double feed all day long. Those, if you slap, you have a bloddy TRIPPLE feed. I've dealt w/ double feeds, and usually just dump the rounds and drive on. Terminology does not transfer well (seeing as I have a Marine instructor right now).
the saw, 240 40mm and the AT4 are fun, and I like the 240 myself, but you still can't beat two in the chest w a .22. Knock em down every time (refering to LIVE targets, not the single shot qual range bull).
And yes, urban combat was covered.
~Critter
StangDreamin'
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Hey!
Hey! Since you're looking at this thread as I type this - go look at my "1/2 No Kitten sighting" thread.
There's a link to pics of Trish on the Confidence Course!
Hey! Since you're looking at this thread as I type this - go look at my "1/2 No Kitten sighting" thread.
There's a link to pics of Trish on the Confidence Course!
skywalker
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We had SPORTS too. But it damn well isn't your first course of action.
Trust me, know alllllll about double feeding magazines. I can usually get a double feed cleared without dropping the mag just be locking the bolt back and sweeping with my finger. Also a few drops of clp down the mags helps a bit. (That's a tip from experience.) They still happen but, it'll slow them down. Best thing to do: make friends with an armorer. They can fix them. They'll tell you they can't and that's cause they wanna go back to there x-box or playstation game, but they can. So make friends with one. Find out which one has kids and collect skittles from MREs. When you need something fixed, give them the skittles. Their kids will love them and they will in turn love you and fix your magazines. Same with S-1 and S-4 guys.
.223 or a .45: two to the chest and oen to the head. Nothing quite beats it. Only thing that can top that is a swift and silent kill with a ka-bar: Sneak up on them. choke them out and then shove the ka bar into their heart. Do it right and you'll feel the heart ripping itself apart on the knife. Getting some with a .50 is real moto too!
Trust me, know alllllll about double feeding magazines. I can usually get a double feed cleared without dropping the mag just be locking the bolt back and sweeping with my finger. Also a few drops of clp down the mags helps a bit. (That's a tip from experience.) They still happen but, it'll slow them down. Best thing to do: make friends with an armorer. They can fix them. They'll tell you they can't and that's cause they wanna go back to there x-box or playstation game, but they can. So make friends with one. Find out which one has kids and collect skittles from MREs. When you need something fixed, give them the skittles. Their kids will love them and they will in turn love you and fix your magazines. Same with S-1 and S-4 guys.
.223 or a .45: two to the chest and oen to the head. Nothing quite beats it. Only thing that can top that is a swift and silent kill with a ka-bar: Sneak up on them. choke them out and then shove the ka bar into their heart. Do it right and you'll feel the heart ripping itself apart on the knife. Getting some with a .50 is real moto too!
skywalker
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Oh and btw, the problem isn't a transfer of terminology, it's a different philosophy in training. The marine instructor you have can probably attest to that. It's getting closer and closer though. Years ago we didn't do unknown distance pop up targets. We do it now, but not for score, just for good training. We still do a known distance course for our score. You guys didn't use to give infantry training to POGs. In the marine corps, the idea of a someone not being infantry trained would be laughed at!
It's a completely different philosophy in the army.
It's a completely different philosophy in the army.
OK, folks....for the M16A4, first thing to do is find cover not concealment). Then grab the magazine with the left hand, strip the mag out of the well (it will hang up if double-fed) and put it in your pocket (or belt line). Do NOT put that mag into a mag pouch as you will get a partially loaded mag confused with a full mag in the heat of battle. Grab the charging handle and rack 3 times to clear the chamber. Grab a 2nd (full/fresh) mag and insert into the magazine well, then tap the bottom of the mag, then give a firm tug to make sure it is seated. Chamber a round and get back into the fight. The reason for keeping the partially used mag is so you have emergency ammo if needed. And you don't give someone else good ammo.
This is how we train with our M16A4s in my tactical unit. It is FAST and reliable (called a class 3 failure drill).
This is how we train with our M16A4s in my tactical unit. It is FAST and reliable (called a class 3 failure drill).
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