My talk with Ford and Superchargers.

fox1x

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O.K. I think I have a pretty good dealership. They always are willing to help and answer questions. I asked them about getting an Intake and Tune (from Brenspeed). The parts guy said they would be fine with that and would even put it in writing if it made me more comfortable. He said if something DID happen to go wrong, they would have to prove it was the tune or part that caused the failure. He said they service several mustangs with aftermarket CAI's and tunes.

I was more interested in Supercharging my car since I found a complete Paxton kit online for $2700. I went back and asked if this would void my warranty. He told me they would have to do the install (he said they send the car to Steeda for the FI installs) and that he would call Ford about the warranty for me. Well, the next day he called me. He said Ford would honor the warranty on a supercharger install ONLY IF I had the supercharger installed when I bought the car. He said it was also part of Steeda's requirements. He said the Paxton would be fine, but I would've had to have had the supercharger installed when I bought the car.

Phooey. I was really excited about getting some forced induction. I still have 40,000+ miles left on my warranty and I don't want to risk it. However, I was really glad I got a CONCRETE answer for once. It just seems the modding world is very questionable when it comes to what dealers will and won't do. On a side note, he said his dealership would be more than willing to service and honor warranties on a modded mustang; but he said he couldn't speak for other dealers. He told me if something happened and I was on a trip, another dealer may try to void my warranty.


Now, I have a hypothetical performance question. Without using Nitrious or forced induction, what is the theoretical best 1/4 mile from a N/A Mustang? Let's say I did the suspension work (LCA's, lowering sport springs, etc.); then got a tune and CAI, followed by UDP's and a bigger throttle body. And for last, I put some long tubes on. How deep into the 12's could I go? Since I can't go forced induction to save my warranty, how can I get the best times? (Just for the sake of it, I'm purposly NOT including gears for now)
 
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I don't think they really know what their policy is on that to be honest.

The truth is that there is something called a Magnusen-Moss Warrenty Act. This was created for the reason of people modifying their cars. It states that the act of installing an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying warranty. In short, if you get a supercharger installed and your suspension goes bad, it's still covered. However, if something on the engine goes bad, they have to be able to PROVE that it was the supercharger that caused the problem.

There is a lot more to it, but if I were you I'd google "Magnusen-Moss" and read up on it. Don't let your dealer rain on your parade. Hell, I installed a supercharger in my 07 after just 5000 miles. I would print off a copy of it and bring it in and ask them if they've ever seen or heard of it before.

FIGHT THEM!

Good luck
 
I think you could get a NA s197 in the low 12's maybe high 11's. By no means am I saying this would be an easy task, or that you could do it at stock weight, but with dedicated drag suspension and slicks you could be that fast.
 
O.K. I think I have a pretty good dealership. They always are willing to help and answer questions. I asked them about getting an Intake and Tune (from Brenspeed). The parts guy said they would be fine with that and would even put it in writing if it made me more comfortable. He said if something DID happen to go wrong, they would have to prove it was the tune or part that caused the failure. He said they service several mustangs with aftermarket CAI's and tunes.

I was more interested in Supercharging my car since I found a complete Paxton kit online for $2700. I went back and asked if this would void my warranty. He told me they would have to do the install (he said they send the car to Steeda for the FI installs) and that he would call Ford about the warranty for me. Well, the next day he called me. He said Ford would honor the warranty on a supercharger install ONLY IF I had the supercharger installed when I bought the car. He said it was also part of Steeda's requirements. He said the Paxton would be fine, but I would've had to have had the supercharger installed when I bought the car.

Phooey. I was really excited about getting some forced induction. I still have 40,000+ miles left on my warranty and I don't want to risk it. However, I was really glad I got a CONCRETE answer for once. It just seems the modding world is very questionable when it comes to what dealers will and won't do. On a side note, he said his dealership would be more than willing to service and honor warranties on a modded mustang; but he said he couldn't speak for other dealers. He told me if something happened and I was on a trip, another dealer may try to void my warranty.


Now, I have a hypothetical performance question. Without using Nitrious or forced induction, what is the theoretical best 1/4 mile from a N/A Mustang? Let's say I did the suspension work (LCA's, lowering sport springs, etc.); then got a tune and CAI, followed by UDP's and a bigger throttle body. And for last, I put some long tubes on. How deep into the 12's could I go? Since I can't go forced induction to save my warranty, how can I get the best times? (Just for the sake of it, I'm purposly NOT including gears for now)

Yea, phooey sounds just about right ! especially after your dealership has just acknowledged, that if anything did go wrong ? they would have to prove, that the tune or aftermarket part was directly responsible for causing the failure right ? but yet on the other hand, your dealer also claims, that another dealer may try to void your warranty, without having to prove anything ? well that's nothing but complete nonsense, and here's why...First off, only Ford itself has the legal authority to void their factory warranties, and second..all dealerships are required to follow the same procedures, under Ford's warranty policy..Otherwise each individual dealership, would have separate warranty polices from one another, in which not only would make absolutely no logical sense whatsoever ! but would also create nothing but complete chaos, as well..I've said this time and time before, and I'll say it again. Dealerships can only refuse to service a vehicle under a warranty claim, providing the aftermarket part was directly responsible for causing the warranted parts to fail, in which you would then be required to cover both the repair and replacement costs yourself..However, a dealership cannot refuse to honor any portion of a Ford factory warranty, which is not directly related to the warranted parts in question.. For example, underdrive pulleys cannot cause your shaker 500/1000 to fail ? therefore, the dealership is required to repair or replace the shaker under warranty.. Once again, only Ford itself has the authority to void their factory warranties. Therefore, it is NOT up to the dealerships :bang:
 
Had my Saleen blower installed by Saleen at my local Ford dealer at about 15k miles. Saleen said they'd cover the remaining warranty. Now, if you're worrying about it then do some minor stuff and wait for your warranty to go out. But even those parts you listed still have a chance of messing up your car, just the same as a blower. Headers and UDP may cause a problem that wont be warrantied. Its all in whats safe for your car and what you're comfortable with I guess.


As far as the warranty I used to work for the Ford dealer down here and yeah they do need to prove the aftermarket part is the cause of the problem to refuse warranty work on it. As said again and again...and again, if your shaker 500 goes out and you have a CAI+tune...its warrantied and replaced.
 
I would call steeda directly... It was my understanding that because they worked with ford to create the tune they use on their installs ford will still honor the warranty . That is if they (Steeda) did the install and their tune was used...
 
Well, from what I understood was that if something DID go wrong and they had installed it from day 1 when I had bought the car (ie: blow a piston through the block) they would cover it. They're still saying I could put one on, but if it blows a piston through the block, they ain't covering it. That makes sense to me.

However, seeing "thump_rrr's" mid 12 second run with those mods gives me hope!
 
Under this scenario, your understanding is correct..If the dealer installs your SC and then in the event, should a piston happen to blow thru the block ? then yes, they should cover it, although I would still get that put in writting, just for your own piece of mind..However, if you install the SC yourself, and end up with a blown piston ? Once again, if Ford is able to prove, the SC was directly responsible ? in which they more than likely will..Then you'll be responsible, for covering the repairs and replacement parts, yourself..So yes, that does make sense..