A long response - sorry but I had to vent a bit You are apparently a union guy so i will ask you, do you think ANY non union jobs would provide all the health benefits, drug & alcohol rehabs and retirement plans the unions demand? not to mention the fixed hours, double overtime clauses, and granular job specificities so you as a worker do 1 and only 1 job? so the next guy can do another job and only that job? so now there are 2 guys doing 2 jobs that maybe 1 guy could do both things??? in privatized industry, you would be told to get off your butt and do both things and maybe a few more so the company can stay competitive and you get to keep your job. these are tough times. either you run lean and mean or you get f'd by competitors. you union guys have to make a living, that's fine. the economy sucks so you need to make a certain amount of dough to stay alive, we get it. we have foreign cars imported every day being made by people making 50 bucks a month if they are supervisors. back in the USA, the unions say guys at this level get this much and 4 weeks paid vacation and he cannot be fired without a hearing and all the other perks and demands. I'm not talking out my butt, I have many friends in unions including one of my bros who just got back from iraq, so I am sympathetic. I'm not bashing, just speaking logically. how can US industry compete unless we shut out the rest of the world? for what it's costing US companies to make one car, our friends in mexico, korea, japan, hong hong and elsewhere can make 4-5 cars just solely due to lower overhead. how can management NOT see that and see the short term solution is to move manufacturing offshore? they have people to answer to, the shareholders. Or maybe they should keep the comapny running inefficiently to spare the jobs of the people that are, in their eyes, costing too much, always asking for more, and unwilling to bend on the things they want? A lot of this is echoing some of your points earlier in the thread. And yes - historically, unions are the reason there are labor laws in place. to be fair - I agree with your take on management. there are too many chiefs and not enough indians at the top rungs of management, and as I said in my post, they make decisions at glacial speed. too many people = diffused accountability. nobody wants to make decisions on their own so it becomes a 14 month group process to order blue bic pens instead of black. if the blue pens suck, it was EVERYBODYS fault - so it was nobody's fault. Often times these people get promoted to an inverse level to their ineptitude. I deal with these C-Level managers in my work in advertising. they are mostly idiots. as far as overpriced, the GT I ordered is a little overpriced at around 30K. I'm no cheapskate, for the record. I got almost every option they offered. the v6 at 19K is fair. this also relates to another part of my later post as to why is there a 10 grand difference between the base model and the supremo model? it is a bit much, no? as for the GT500 @ 20K over - I love stangs but for the money, I'd rather get a vette or an old porsche or some other car I've always wanted. as far as the blazer - I wanted a small sporty 2 door SUV. I got the ZR2 model with the high suspension and big tires, it looked pretty mean with the brushguard and the step rails. is it too much to ask that a $28,000 vechicle last for 3 years and 34000 miles without screwing up? I swore I'd never buy an american car again, especially after leasing a toyota 4runner that has had NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER, but here I am waiting to take delivery on my 'stang and i am stoked about it. I hope I am not disappointed.