OK, we'll try this one again, two years later. No more Killer attack Farberware either, Pak..... I will be goine to SE MASS to get another Body, and to Factory Five to get replacement parts for the ones I bent. So far, looking at early of mid October. Has to be on a Saturday. What works for any of you? Targeted Hoodlums so far: PAK BBFCM WORTH Chepsk8 Mustanggurl anybody else?