Clutch Pedel Woe's

[fastmonkeywheel]

Allright, so I'm going form a 2.8L w/ C3 to a 2.3L Turbo w/ T5.

We don't get a lot of mustang II's out here at the junkyards but there was one a few months ago that had a manuel in it. I grabbed the pedels, brake and clutch. A week ago I went to put them in and discovered that the auto assembly doesn't have provisions for the clutch pedel. And now the II out at the junkyard is gone, and the only other one is an auto. Allright, so I started checking pinto's and whatnot and found a 78 bobcat, it looked pretty close underneath so I took the clutch pedel assembly thing. It bolts to the main assembly.

I removed the assembly from my car and it's different from the bobcat's, which really didn't suprise me that much, I was just hoping. However, I can drill the holes required for the bobcat clutch assembly into the II assembly to make it work. The only issue is, where to put the pivot point? Here's a link to a web site with some pictures of the pedels and assembly, if someone can tell me, or mark where the piviot point is on the main assembly and email me the picture I'd appreciate it.

Oh, and these pictures are pretty big and quite a few, just a dial-up warning.

http://www.geocities.com/fastmonkeywheels/clutch

thanks guys, I'm hoping to get the pedles done so I can hook up the steering and brakes again, then get the engine in.

Albiet not very many, there are some pictures of my progress at http://www.geocities.com/fastmonkeywheels

 

[jydCOBRAII]

pedals

Your problem may be the different years of parts. The pedal assembly in my 76 is different than my 78. I bet if you can locate some 78 pedals that will solve your problem. When I switched my 76 from auto to manual it was pretty straight forward and the only drilling was for the clutch cable.

 

[fastmonkeywheel]

Well, my II is a 78 and the clutch pedel assembly came from a 78 bobcat, not a II. I'm pretty sure that's my problem. I just want to make do with what I have instead of trying to find a mounting assembly for a manual II. The one I got the pedels from isn't at the junkyard anymore.

 

[fastmonkeywheel]

Common, someone has to know where the clutch piviot point is in reference to the brake piviot point.

 

[THE COBRAMAN]

There should be no drilling required.

I changed my '77 302 from auto to standard, and the pedals hung in the bracket using the existing holes.

There are differences in the clutch pedals from engine to engine, so that may be where you are encountering problems. I looked at the link, but I'm having display adapter issues, so I coudn't really tell much.

 

[fastmonkeywheel]

No offence, but have you guys not read my post? I said it was a bobcat clutch pedel assembly. I don't care whether or not you think it needs to be drilled, this is what I have and what's going to be used, I was only looking for a little help as to where the pivot point was.

I know this is solicited help, but it's no help answering a question I didn't ask. I know a II pedel assembly will bolt into my car just fine, but I don't have a clutch pedel assembly for a II, I have one for a Bobcat that I"m going to use.

 

[Andy CobraII]

An idea

fastmonkeywheels,

I understand your question, and frustration. Most of us who have converted
to manual grabbed the whole assembly. My comment is based on memory since
my car is stored out-of-state for the moment.

The picture from the side showing pedal resting on mount looks alittle low.
My advice for you is. Start by knocking out your firewall hole. It is way up
there next to brake master. Position your II mounting bracket in place. Hold the clutch pedal so your top pin is level with firewall hole. You don't want cable rubbing anywhere. Mark your pivot on the monting bracket.

You are attempting a conversion that nobody here ever has done or even would
of attempted. In the end you may find yourself just searching for the whole assembly because it just didn't work. They sell on ebay fairly regular for 50$

good luck

 

[78CobraII]

Fastmonkeywheels,

I just checked out your Turbo 2.3L installation pics. Great stuff, thanks for posting them!

About how many inches forward would the suspension crossmember have to move for that rear sump oilpan to fit? (Drat, there's no "evil grin" smilie).

 

[fastmonkeywheel]

78CobraII, about 5 inches, it's smack dab in the middle of the sump. But I have a front sump pan now, just got to get it cleaned and put on.

I thought about moving the firewall back a few inches and moving the engine assembly back. It'll help the weight ratio quite a bit. But that's for another time.

 

[THE COBRAMAN]

No offence, but have you guys not read my post? I said it was a bobcat clutch pedel assembly. I don't care whether or not you think it needs to be drilled, this is what I have and what's going to be used, I was only looking for a little help as to where the pivot point was.

We don't get a lot of mustang II's out here at the junkyards but there was one a few months ago that had a manuel in it. I grabbed the pedels, brake and clutch. A week ago I went to put them in and discovered that the auto assembly doesn't have provisions for the clutch pedel.

Yeah, I DID read it. Looks to me like you can't even decide what you have, based on YOUR OWN POSTS.

I'm telling you that the hanger assembly from the auto will work with the standard pedals, if you stay with II stuff, but you're obviously smarter than me.

Lots of people have converted from auto to standard, you seem to be the only one having problems with it.

 

[COBRAIIW]

Due to the recent failure of my flywheel,and manual trans, I am going to put in the C4 from my parts car.
It's a lot cheaper than going thru all of the hassle of finding the parts,and paying thru the nose.
Gettin tired of shifting all the time anyway.

 

[fastmonkeywheel]

I'm sorry if my posts were confusing: The pedels were MII's but the piviot part for the clutch pedel is from a Bobcat. For the Bobcat pedel system, the clutch pedel assembly bolts to the main assembly, that's the picture I have. I put the MII clutch pedel on this assembly and drilled a couple of holes to bolt that to the main assembly. I just got done doing that.

If I understand you correctly you're saying that there's no difference between the pedel assembly for a manual and an auto, just that the manual has a clutch pedel (obviously)?

The pedel assembly I have has 2 additional holes in it, in addition to the one needed for the brake pedel. If I understood you correctly, then there is another plate with a hole in it for the other side of the bolt to go through, so that the MII clutch pedel is suported on both sides. Maybe I missed that part, if it's there then I can remove the Bobcat part that I have up there and hook it up right. But I didn't see/notice it before.

I don't mean to start any trouble, I was just getting fustrated trying to accuratly describe what I had and was doing and why. I'm just trying to make due with what I have.

For what it's worth, the Bobcat clutch assembly and Mustang II clutch pedel are bolted up there now and are lined up perfectly with the clutch cable hole.

P.S.

I got the engine in today, I'll take some pictues tomorrow, so much room in there, I love it.