Innovate LC-2 Problem

[Blown88GT]

The controller light never goes solid green. It keeps quick flashing green which means calibrating.
This just started, don't know why. Calibration software doesn't seem to do anything.

 

[a91what]

sounds like a fault with the controller.

 

[Blown88GT]

Some say sensor because dedicated gauge is reading 7.5 AFR all through warm up. TS gauge also stays low.
I'll have to try the sensor for $65. Mine's the fat one.
I just fixed everything else & now this...bummer!

New to me, 6 year old ultrabook laptop.
AFR gauge is top row, 2nd from left. Dead.
Datalog says the same, AFR=7.5
Waiting on screen filter to reduce reflections.

 

[Blown88GT]

I have the narrow bands still wired in with a toggle switch on the MS ECU. Just have to reconfigure TS for the NB's.
It's supposed to be cooler for the weekend, want to get it out for a cruise.
Replacement sensor won't be here until next week. Found one in CA for $32.

 

[Noobz347]

Nice... I have the LC-1 so do not have the light that you have. I was going to suggest that it was likely the sensor.

Only issue I ever had with mine.

 

[Blown88GT]

Bought new sensor, still not working.
It's heating up but not getting very hot.
Called Innovate...they didn't know much.
Don't think I want to throw good money after bad.
After about 10 minutes, the sensor got smoking hot. Should take 30-60 sec.
I know that Steve recommends a different WB, the Zeitronix Zt-3.
It comes with the LSU 4.9 wideband oxygen sensor. I just bought the 4.3 (damn).

 

[a91what]

Spartan 2 from www.14point7.com

it may even work with the sensor that you purchased.

 

[Blown88GT]

Spartan 2 from www.14point7.com

it may even work with the sensor that you purchased.

The sensor, yes, but not the connector.
Controller & sensor are less than just the Innovate controller.

It looks like the controller is part of the harness.

 

[a91what]

That is correct, it is splash proof. they are hand made and he takes pride in his product.

 

[Blown88GT]

Thanks for the info, Steve.
I'll have to do some reading on it, but it looks like it uses TS for calibration?
No need to calibrate the Spartan2 controller.

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I'm now glad I wired my DIYPNP to use either the WB or the NB on the passenger size.
The one on the driver's side is attached to a NB AFR gauge.
Just installed 2 new Bosch NB sensors, probably had them for 10 years.

I assume since it was tuned with the WB, it should work the same with the NB?

 

[a91what]

That is correct, keep in mind the NB sensors will only truly function at or near stoic. the AFR table will default to 14.7 as a target for ego as well. however this will not affect wot operation.

if you are fully tuned then really you should not need the WB in the car anyway

 

[a91what]

The spartan has a calibration spreadsheet that you use to adjust for the voltage offset between devices.

 

[Blown88GT]

You're not going to believe this.
Put the old sensor back in to plug up the hole in the exhaust. I plugged the connector back in so it wouldn't fall on the headers.
Turned ignition on, turned on controller switch (which I added to relay) & the damn thing is working!!! The LED is flashing in the right sequence & goes solid in the normal time frame.
The only thing I did was clean the carbon off the old sensor with Brake Kleen.

It worked 2 times in a row. Reconnected his serial port to check calibration, reset & it rebooted normally.
This could only happen to a controls engineer (LOL). I have no explanation.

Since I have TS configured for NB & never tested it, will give it a try tomorrow or Sunday. It looks like that cold front won't be moving through until then.

 

[Blown88GT]

The spartan has a calibration spreadsheet that you use to adjust for the voltage offset between devices.

You communicate with it through TS?
Or you don't need to calibrate it like the LC-2?
Where would you adjust the voltage offset?

It's Beer-thirty. Later...

 

[Noobz347]

You're not going to believe this.
Put the old sensor back in to plug up the hole in the exhaust. I plugged the connector back in so it wouldn't fall on the headers.
Turned ignition on, turned on controller switch (which I added to relay) & the damn thing is working!!! The LED is flashing in the right sequence & goes solid in the normal time frame.
The only thing I did was clean the carbon off the old sensor with Brake Kleen.

It worked 2 times in a row. Reconnected his serial port to check calibration, reset & it rebooted normally.
This could only happen to a controls engineer (LOL). I have no explanation.

Since I have TS configured for NB & never tested it, will give it a try tomorrow or Sunday. It looks like that cold front won't be moving through until then.

There may be a wiring issue in the LC-2 or harness.

 

[a91what]

Calibration is done in TS nothing special the spartan outputs two voltages during warmup that you use to setup the sheet.

 

[Blown88GT]

There may be a wiring issue in the LC-2 or harness.

That would seem logical, but all connections appeared clean & tight.
There are 2 interconnections: (#1) sensor pigtail to sensor cable (inside engine compartment), (#2) controller to sensor cable (inside cabin). Put dielectric grease on connectors at #1 & #2.
Maybe the many disconnects & connects at #1, wiped the contacts clean. That's about the only thing it could have been.

This indicates that the Spartan 2 is a superior design, at least when it comes to connectors, since it only has 1 pair instead of 2.

This is a pic of the controller mounted next to the MS.

 

[Noobz347]

Once you get it up and running well, it might be worth going through and 'shakin' rattlin' and rollin' the wire harness.

I envision a time where you're on the road and it decides to act the ass. That's usually when they crop up etc...

 

[Blown88GT]

It hadn't moved from the garage when it went out. It's easy to switch to the NB with the switch on the front of the MS & loading the NB TS configuration.
I usually run with the laptop connected because it gives real-time info not available elsewhere. It's a 6 year old ultrabook, quickly becoming my favorite computer; only had it a week. BTW, it's a 12.5" screen, weighs 3.5 lbs. Screen can be rotated towards driver.

 

[Blown88GT]

I am done with this piece of junk Innovate LC-2.
Controller is acting up again. It never completes it's bootup cycle.
I'm getting the 14Point7 Spartan 2.