Here comes another essay from TGJ.
I am not bench racing, you are. You are the ones arguing dyno numbers not me. I take my car to the track. I have seen what CAI/tuned cars do and I have seen what tuned cars do.
My questions are trivial to him and just about everybody else. A chassis dyno on the same day can show different results with no changes to the car. I have seen a car tuned during the day that made 501 RWHP, it was put on the dyno again at 11:00 PM with no changes made to the car or tune and it made 542 RWHP. That was on a dynojet. I do not buy into Dyno numbers that are posted without some type of supporting info. That supporting info WAS NOT provided.
Um how good of a tool is it if the numbers are wrong?????As I said a chassis dyno is tuning tool
YOU HEARD THE MAN EVERYONE WITH YOUR $30,000 DOLLAR DYNO JETS THERE TRASH! lol well I guess that tune you got is no good if the numbers are wrong! Are tunes MADE ON A DYNO? No they make them on the drag strip b/c it is and will be the ONLY controlled environment! OH I FORGOT HE DID SAY Um how good of a tool is it if the numbers are wrong?????
OK, bottom line - EVERY CAR WILL REACT DIFFERENTLY. End of story. Also, unless the CAI is poorly designed, there is no way that CAI and tune could be WORSE than just a tune. So its up to you to decide if the extra power is worth the $$, but you will still see extra power. I think most people would say yes, even if its a few hundred dollars for just a few horsepower.
TGJ, you need to chill out with your "scientific testing" stuff, because you don't have the ideas right. We as enthusiasts have two real test settings: track and dyno. You asked all the questions about the dyno testing, which is "good" if you want to get as scientific as possible. But you neglected to answer any of those questions for your own track runs. Also, the track is just less scientific. Weather conditions, atmospheric conditions, and elevation affect both dyno runs and track runs. Refer to my previous post as to how many other variables there are that effect track runs that can't possibly affect dyno runs and also aren't repeatable by a human. A dyno run IS the most controlled setting we will get, ever. Especially considering some dyno shops can have climate controlled settings.
One last tick - corrections for humidity, elevation, etc. are good, but they aren't exact either. Yes, I'm sure they are pretty damn close, but thats as good as you are going to get with a correction number.
I agree with you that installing only a tune and CAI will not make the big performance numbers that either a heavily modded, supercharged, turbocharged, or juiced engine makes.
However, I respectfully disagree that installing a tune on an S197 is a waste of $, since it not only noticeably increases power output, but it also eliminates the notoriously annoying drive-by-wire throttle lag that infects the stock tune on these cars. Drive one before and after a tune, and you'll know what I'm referring to. There's a big difference in both the POT and WOT throttle response.
Plus, the tuner is a handy tool that can be used to adjust a multitude of parameters, e.g., rev and speed limits, speedometer reading after a change in the tire size and/or the diff. gear, radiator cooling fans' ON and OFF temperature settings, timing, A/F ratios, and MAF table. And it also helps to troubleshoot problems by reading CEL codes, and performing data logging.
lets keep this thread on topic, or it will be removed. everybody, please take out all the personal issues you may have with anyone. there are no need for personal attacks or insulting behaviors. we have all been around the internet long enough to know the rules. if anyone needs a refresher on the StangNet rules, please use this link: http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=685806
i would hate to see people leave this site over something so petty.
You're exactly right. However, I'm guessing that the majority of modders install their tunes with tuners.Nobody said that tuners are not worth the money....
Baloney.I am done being a nice guy. I haven't said anything that is wrong.
I have said that CAI's are eye candy, nothing more.
Because they are an assumption of guilt. You're assuming he faking his results while igdignantly claiming your own as 'real' while not providing the same information.My questions are trivial to him and just about everybody else.
Yeah I was pretty much a major factor in this thread and I'm lost now. (or I just stopped caring).
lets keep this thread on topic, or it will be removed. everybody, please take out all the personal issues you may have with anyone. there are no need for personal attacks or insulting behaviors. we have all been around the internet long enough to know the rules. if anyone needs a refresher on the StangNet rules, please use this link: http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=685806
i would hate to see people leave this site over something so petty.