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Okay it's been awhile since I posted to stangnet, but I simply have to respond to this thread. Just so you know, I try to be open-minded and have a taste for most American made sports cars (and especially the mustang which has outlived everything else) However...

Last week I was at the track (spectating test/tune) and some lucky owner had his 05' GT there. I saw consistant 14.0's on the board. This was a 5-speed and I made darn sure to speak to this guy. So, I asked him was he powershifting? He said he was runnin' it hard but thinks for sure he can get more out of it. Umm... WELL LET ME SEE IT THEN!!! How come it's so hard to get some numbers up? Can somebody answer me this? I know more than half of you are not going to believe me but it's very true... when my 98' Trans Am (auto) was stock, and I mean STOCK. Not the kind of "stock" that most mustang owners claim, but STOCK my best ever time out of the 2 times I went was a 13.5@106. I did this with not 300 miles on the car. Still new.

Also, I just read my Dec. Muscle Mustangs Fast Fords in much hope for some answers, only to find out that Ford won't let em' take it down the track. Okay, need more? How come so many on the 2005 board claim to run with Mach's? Now, I don't understand why Mach owners get so bent out of shape due to the 300hp output of the 05's, that's just childish. But seriously, how does 101mph like described above equal 300hp? Which claims 5 less than my Firebird. People have been known to put down LS1's here on the boards to...and it's a mustang board so you have the right, but I feel certain people are fooling themselves. Must be aggrivating.

Sorry to come here to rant, it is almost childish of me... but as a loyal LS1 AND FOX/S95 fan, just tryin' to figure out what is hidden in this GLORIOUS (to some) picture. and why are owners and testers of the 05 seem to "back off" the throttle?

If I my hands on one I would make damn sure to run the piss out of it at the track. Right off showroom floor. My 98' when sold had 75k miles with nothing wrong and a notebook list full of names taken on the street from day one. I did loose alot too though. So what's up?
 
I get so tired of hearing - "well, my car can beat that" or "the GTO is way too slow for me." It is sickening. Drive what you want and have fun - that is why you bought it. For all these magazine and internet racers - you suck. Drive it yourself and see what you can get. I have been racing for years and have a bolt-on 12.5 second Mach 1. When I drove the 05 Mustang GT at KY Speedway a couple weeks ago - it felt WAY different with respect to the position of the shifter. I compensated well but a first night to the track in it would have probably yielded poor results (like the guy above). Be happy for him. Don't put him down. Give him a while to get used to it and see how much HE IMPROVES. That is the true measure of racing for most. Most do not go to the track in order to put another notch on his belt but to improve on his time. if you are just looking for a kill - race a Yugo. Hell, I was at the track last week and saw a Grand Prix GTP that was all blacked out and said "VTECH Killer" on the side. When I first saw it, I said "What a piece of ****e!" but the dude ran a 13.1 and I was impressed. I saw him later at the gas station filling up his tires and he said that he was running 13 lbs. of boost. Now, I do not like the ricey look but this one was not ricey. It looked nice and, more importantly, it drove like a bat out of hell. He would not have beaten me, but he had a hell of a car. The moral of this story is that you should be happy for what you have and what the other guy has. After all, the other guy could be driving a piece of **** Civic (no offense to those who have done theirs up nice) with 10,000 stickers on it and a fart can out back who thinks he can run an 11 but never runs because his boost controller is messed up right now. To the guy with the 98 TA, if you are such a great driver and want to see what it will do then go buy one and have at it. If you want to see what mine will do when it arrives, you will have to wait until next spring when the season begins (NMRA). I plan on having two cars there for the first race of the season (I might do the brackets in the 2005 Mustang GT and run Modular Muscle in my 2004 Mach 1). I am still curious to see what this new car can do and take what other people do with a grain of salt. I am not the kind to take stock in what others can do, but I know I will drive the hell out of it!
 
Emil said:
What's missing in almost all the time postings is the temperature, altitude and track conditions. Pollution controlled cars nowadays are much more affected by these conditions than they used to be in the past.

Too many excuses. The temp, altitude and track conditions are BS. These cars came out end of Oct/early Nov. unless you live on the sun, you got some pretty good temps to run. Not everyone lives in colorodo so altitude should not be an issue. As far as track prep, these cars hook better than any other mustang ever has. People are cutting 1.9s on the 60'.

Maybe I am like firebird guy....maybe these cars aren't as fast as people hoped!!
 
SWTSWNG said:
Too many excuses. The temp, altitude and track conditions are BS. These cars came out end of Oct/early Nov. unless you live on the sun, you got some pretty good temps to run. Not everyone lives in colorodo so altitude should not be an issue. As far as track prep, these cars hook better than any other mustang ever has. People are cutting 1.9s on the 60'.

Maybe I am like firebird guy....maybe these cars aren't as fast as people hoped!!



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SWTSWNG said:
Too many excuses. The temp, altitude and track conditions are BS. These cars came out end of Oct/early Nov. unless you live on the sun, you got some pretty good temps to run. Not everyone lives in colorodo so altitude should not be an issue. As far as track prep, these cars hook better than any other mustang ever has. People are cutting 1.9s on the 60'.

Maybe I am like firebird guy....maybe these cars aren't as fast as people hoped!!

Actually, your post is BS.

When it comes to comparing times, if you aren't comparing them at the same track, on the same night........... about all they are good for is a guideline. Also, every driver is different............ and as many who have driven this car at the track say, it runs completely different than any other Mustang they have ever driven. Thus, there is a learning curve.

To expect the very best times available the second a completely redesigned new car comes out, is assinine.

Case in point on times. I can go to Firebird with my Lightning, and run a 14.0............. as Firebird sucks (everyone knows how poor the track prep is there). I can take my very same truck, on the very same night, to Speedworld........... which is about 40 miles away. With the very same conditions (within a degree or two), I can run a 13.5.

Now, did my truck get mysteriously more powerful while I drove those 40 miles to Speedworld??? Of course not. Did I drive it better at Speedworld??? Of course not, its an automatic. The single difference is the track.

The good 60' times show that the cars launch very strong. However, as some are finding out, the key to decent times is the shift point. Again............. this is learning curve.

Some of you must be very young. You probably also believe that every dyno will read the same. :rolleyes:
 
01LightningGal said:
Actually, your post is BS.

When it comes to comparing times, if you aren't comparing them at the same track, on the same night........... about all they are good for is a guideline. Also, every driver is different............ and as many who have driven this car at the track say, it runs completely different than any other Mustang they have ever driven. Thus, there is a learning curve.

To expect the very best times available the second a completely redesigned new car comes out, is assinine.

Case in point on times. I can go to Firebird with my Lightning, and run a 14.0............. as Firebird sucks (everyone knows how poor the track prep is there). I can take my very same truck, on the very same night, to Speedworld........... which is about 40 miles away. With the very same conditions (within a degree or two), I can run a 13.5.

Now, did my truck get mysteriously more powerful while I drove those 40 miles to Speedworld??? Of course not. Did I drive it better at Speedworld??? Of course not, its an automatic. The single difference is the track.

The good 60' times show that the cars launch very strong. However, as some are finding out, the key to decent times is the shift point. Again............. this is learning curve.

Some of you must be very young. You probably also believe that every dyno will read the same. :rolleyes:

Hey GAL,

You brought it to the wrong place here. I have drag raced more than you have dreamed. You dont know the first thing about drag racing if you dont understand the simple aspect of MPH. MPH determines HP and if the cars aren't making the number then they arent as quick as people thought.

By the way, I understand how track prep and temps work. People on here aren't as young and stupid as you might think. People make excuses for the new mustang all the time. Are you telling me that everyone who has run there new 05 has poor track times because its so hot, and that terrible trap prep only gave them a 1.9 and they are 5000 ft. above sea level? I dont buy it. The new platform doesnt make a good argument either. It launches better than ever and there have been people who are driving automatics (like your Lightning). There goes your shift point theory. Unless these people are bad drivers and dont know how to mash the pedal. Let me guess your 60' were about .2-.3 different at the other track. I know track prep. If you would look at the time slips of some of these cars you would see the difference in the 1/8 and the 1/4 and notice the top end is not very strong. Most of these cars trap in 3rd so there is NO SHIFT in the last 1/8.

When the 03 Cobra's and Mach's were coming out, there were good times coming out before the cars even hit the lots. Ill tell you one thing for sure...the Cobra is not easy to drive either. Drivers are differnet yes, but you will not convince me that all the 05 drivers are idiots and cant drive. Like I said. Some of these times we've seen were with automatics

BTW your right, dyno's are different...something else you could probably learn a thing or two about. Like for instance..its just a number, and a tuning tool and means nothing with respect to drag racing.
 
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This thread turned into a pissing contest. FikseGTS was nice enough to post someone's ET for the 05 mustang (something all of us mustang fans are more than eager to see). All the sudden, WHAM, it's a pissing contest; people bashing other people and their cars. You all made good points, but with too much insulting and such in between. Fact is track conditions do matter (most likely not a whole half second but they do matter). Heck, tire pressure matters. The main thing that everyone seems to agree on is the driving skills. MM&FF might get the 05 into the mid to low 13's. who knows? Car and driver hit 13.8. Maybe some people will get lucky, while others won't. Who cares? Firebirds are cool cars, mustangs are cool cars, etc. The real enemy is those darn imports! :D So take your fast mach 1, your fast mustang gt, your fast firebird...whatever, and go beat some rice ass and stop insulting each other. :flag:
 
werd to that :hail2: ....i am not disapointed with his times at all...if a car can hit 14.0 out of the factory thats good, think what a "10 minute" style tune up will do...also maybe the guy who ran that time isnt a great driver or maybe since the car is brand new the guy doesnt feel like beating the horse to run faster just yet...i am not worried at all, these cars are still brand new and more than 90% of owners will probably never take theirs to the track...not every stang owner is a drag racer...when more racers do get their hands on these the times will drop as they learn how to race better...i'm sure car and driver ran it several times before they clicked of a 13.6...i say just be patient, its too early to bitch
 
iviustang50h said:
This thread turned into a pissing contest. FikseGTS was nice enough to post someone's ET for the 05 mustang (something all of us mustang fans are more than eager to see). All the sudden, WHAM, it's a pissing contest; people bashing other people and their cars. You all made good points, but with too much insulting and such in between. Fact is track conditions do matter (most likely not a whole half second but they do matter). Heck, tire pressure matters. The main thing that everyone seems to agree on is the driving skills. MM&FF might get the 05 into the mid to low 13's. who knows? Car and driver hit 13.8. Maybe some people will get lucky, while others won't. Who cares? Firebirds are cool cars, mustangs are cool cars, etc. The real enemy is those darn imports! :D So take your fast mach 1, your fast mustang gt, your fast firebird...whatever, and go beat some rice ass and stop insulting each other. :flag:

You are right. I was just making a point. I love all mustangs. I have just been disappointed with times the new one is getting. Everyone knows that conditions matter. My point is that I have seen half a dozen time slips from 05 guys that have been slower then expected. Some ran at great tracks with good 60' in low 60* weather. I wasn't directing it to this ONE single timeslip. It seems like NO ONE has gotten times in the '05 that everyone expected.
 
it's all about Trap speeds - C&D reported 102mph in the current issue...shows decent power. E/T's are based on 'driver'...Trap speeds on 'power'. :)

fwiw, my old Probe went 105-6mph in the 1/4 with 245whp..lighter, however...would reach speed quicker than a heavier car.

Just my $.02.

:D
 
SWTSWNG said:
You are right. I was just making a point. I love all mustangs. I have just been disappointed with times the new one is getting. Everyone knows that conditions matter. My point is that I have seen half a dozen time slips from 05 guys that have been slower then expected. Some ran at great tracks with good 60' in low 60* weather. I wasn't directing it to this ONE single timeslip. It seems like NO ONE has gotten times in the '05 that everyone expected.


Don't worry man. I am disappointed in some of the times too, but like you said, the cars are still new and not broken in yet. It seems that once the car has a few thousand on it, people are able to run it faster. Car and driver ran a 13.8 in the Dec. issue and Motor Trend some how ran a 13.6 with an automatic GT. Both of those are pretty darn good if you ask me. You also have to remember that people haven't had time to get used to the car and learn from their previous ET's. Once they perfect it then I bet we will see consistant mid 13's. Either way, Ford sure did it right this time and I can't wait to buy one! If I put my wife in the backseat of a 05 GT, it would be the best three-some imaginable :D :D :D
 
ATTENTION:

Sorry for turning this thread into a pissing contest. This was the last of my intentions. As for the guy who posted he's tired of seeing "my car is faster", I wasn't implying that at all. I wouldn't be surprised later down the road when people learn to drive these things and with mileage, will shed impressive results. Also, without a doubt this car has the best styling I have seen in many years to come from Michigan. I will always respect 05' owners, and may even get one for myself (regardless of what it runs) and be happy.

MOVING ON:

A good friend of mine will be picking up an 05' Legend Lime GT (manual) this weekend. Him like me, has had several f-bodies and believe in getting the most out of stockers. Afterall, it's your foundation. We'll be taking this car to Rockingham Dragway as soon as we can. YES! We will powershift. YES! We will record every run so expect vids soon. He ordered it with no options, cloth interior, and no shaker stereo. The runs will be made with the car just as he recieves it. I look forward to this and bringing you the results.

Take care.
 
Emil said:
What's missing in almost all the time postings is the temperature, altitude and track conditions. Pollution controlled cars nowadays are much more affected by these conditions than they used to be in the past.

Temperature is listed, 78 degrees.

What is missing, is whether this is a MTX or an ATX, the altitude and whether this is a experienced driver of a novice.