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thehemi said:
500-hp blown 5.4 Cobra for CHEAP? Yeah right.
They would probably have the new Lightning on
the slate for release already if it was cheap and
easy to throw out warrantied 500-hp S/C 5.4s.
Well their are also issues with the L' and the corp fuel economy averages.
With the Ford GT in the lineup getting about 12mpg Ford can’t add in a L that will get 16mpg or it would put them below the average standard. That’s why they announced it would be coming out 1 year after the GT is slated to end production. The Cobra is also slated to come out after the GT ends production.
 
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Nobody is complaining about the 03+ Cobras and their superchargers after seeing what they're capable of, why should it be different with the new Cobra. Shoot 5.4 instead of a 4.6, imagine a chip, pulley swap, exahust and CAI on that car, it'll be making some serious power just like the current one.
 
AzSnake said:
I'm willing to bet we won't see a 500 hp Z06. GM ends up screwing their folks every time they come out with a new Z06 model. when it was first released they said it would be hitting 425 hp. not the case. Then when the bumped up the hp again they were talking about 450.


GM didnt screw anyone. The HP was underated. They actually put out what they were supposed to. The LS1 puts out 404hp to the crank even though its rated at 350hp. (crate motor dyno tested by Hot Rod) The LS6 is a good bit more.

Thats great about the Cobra. The only problem is that its going to cost nearly 50k!
 
GTP2GTO said:
GM didnt screw anyone. The HP was underated. They actually put out what they were supposed to. The LS1 puts out 404hp to the crank even though its rated at 350hp. (crate motor dyno tested by Hot Rod) The LS6 is a good bit more.

Thats great about the Cobra. The only problem is that its going to cost nearly 50k!

How do you know, Ford kept the GT within range of previous models, I don't see my they can't offer the new Cobra with only a moddest increase. :shrug:
 
GTP2GTO said:
GM didnt screw anyone. The HP was underated. They actually put out what they were supposed to. The LS1 puts out 404hp to the crank even though its rated at 350hp. (crate motor dyno tested by Hot Rod) The LS6 is a good bit more.

Thats great about the Cobra. The only problem is that its going to cost nearly 50k!
PUT YOUR CRACK PIPE DOWN!!!!!!
No LS1 from the factory put out over 400hp at the crank!!!
Please leave troll
No Z06 motor was underrated, or GTO motor or C5 motor. They put out exactly what was advertised. Their RWHP was right where they should have been. LOL, that’s funny as hell, no GTO, C5 or Fbody twin ever put 350ish hp to the ground in stock trim. and NO!!!, No factory crate LS1 replacement ever put out 400hp stock

And NO the new Cobra will not be 50K….Are you stupid? Ford knows that theirs no market for a Mustang to be built in acceptable numbers that will support a 50K price tag. Expect near 38-40 and 40 is on the high end. Only a very limited production run of Cobra R’s could support that price and they sat on Fords lots for some time before they were all sold off and they only made 300 2000’s. :bs: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh:
 
CatmanJJ said:
How do you know, Ford kept the GT within range of previous models, I don't see my they can't offer the new Cobra with only a moddest increase. :shrug:
It all has to do with what the market will support. The market will not support a Mustang Cobra over 40K. 40K is even pushing it. Even with 500hp it would generate a TON of interest but it that’s doesn’t mean it would generate sales. The average buyer of a SVT Cobra is in over 30, has kids, a home and has an average household income of around 100K. 100K for an average household income is smack dab in the middle class and most people in the middle class folks don’t and won’t spend 50K on a car. It would destroy the entire customer base for SVT. Now if we had a Shelby Cobra that was developed (like the original AC Cobra it would support a 50, 60 or even 65K price tag and would compete with the Vette, possibly the viper.
 
CatmanJJ said:
How do you know, Ford kept the GT within range of previous models, I don't see my they can't offer the new Cobra with only a moddest increase. :shrug:

The 500hp Cobra bothers him, so he's trying to create some negativity. A previous thread rumored the Cobra to be in the high $30,000's.
 
zenboy99 said:
The 500hp Cobra bothers him, so he's trying to create some negativity. A previous thread rumored the Cobra to be in the high $30,000's.

To me that's just awesome, I mean 500 hp, that's like Ferrari, Lambo, Viper, etc...numbers for a car around $40k. :flag:
 
joshua.y said:
Yeah, but that was with the no accessories and a free flowing exhaust.


Very true... But, it did put that out at the crank as I stated...

I would be delighted if they came out with a cobra with 500hp for 40k or less. That would make it good competition for the GTO Judge. I dont think it will make it as good as a Z06(weight and other factors). I have just heard that its rumored to be between 45-50k. But whatever, no use getting your panties in a bunch over it. We will see when we see...
 
Here's some Z06 info pulled from another site. There was no official link included.

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2,900 #'s

5.7 #'s/HP

Chassis & Suspension development by Pratt & Miller,
Aluminum Hydroformed frame produced by DANA
- 345/30x19 Rears
- 6 piston Front, 4 piston Rear Brake Calipers
- Cross Drilled (cast and camfered) Rotors (possibly Brembo)

Engine Development by KaTech
To be hand built by new HP Engine Plant

LS7 427ci/ 7.0L. 500HP/500 Ft Lbs (512 HP derated to 500HP)
- 2 OHV (3 OHV not necessary for target HP)
- Raced based CNC ported Aluminum Head with 70cc chambers
- 11.0:1 CR
- 46 mm (1.81") Titanium Intake valve
- 41 mm (1.61") Na filled Exhaust Valve
- 104.8 mm Bore (4.125") , 101.6 mm Stroke (4.0") Aluminum block
- Forgrd Crank
- Forged 6 bolt main Bearing Caps
- Titanium Rods
- Cast Aluminum Flat Top Pistons
- 0.591" Lift Cam (15 mm)
- Dry Sump
- 90 mm Throttle Body on Composite manifold
- Ram Air

0 -> 60 in 3.8 sec.

Top Speed 200 MPH
 
I wouldn't expect the new Cobra to cost in the 35-38 range. The 5.4SC is already developed. It is in the GT right now, so that motor's development has already been budgeted and paid for. The only other new technology for the Cobra will be IRS. I think Ford will have a great car and I think they realize they have to keep the cost down.
 
Yamalover said:
I wouldn't expect the new Cobra to cost in the 35-38 range. The 5.4SC is already developed. It is in the GT right now, so that motor's development has already been budgeted and paid for. The only other new technology for the Cobra will be IRS. I think Ford will have a great car and I think they realize they have to keep the cost down.
The 5.4 SC in the GT motor is a 45,000 dollar motor. I don’t expect them to slide that or any other variation of it into the S197. Like I mentioned earlier. The Engine bay will not accommodate the 5.4 with modification. They had to completely shut the Mustang line when making the 2000 Cobra R to wedge that motor in. Same problems would happen in this chassis.
 
AzSnake said:
The 5.4 SC in the GT motor is a 45,000 dollar motor.
This is 100% bull poop. You can buy a Ford GT crate motor for $45k. Does that make a 5.4L SC a $45k motor? NO. Does it cost Ford anywhere even approaching that amount of money to make a 5.4L SC? Of course not. DUH.
 
gm supercharged vehicles-grand prix, bonneville, park avenue, regal, cobalt, monte carlo, and impala

did i forget any?
Yes, you forgot those lazy-a$$es :rolleyes: at Mercedes' AMG division. To equate what Ford produced with the Cobra to "slapping a supercharger on" is an absolute laugh. Engineering these blown motors to jump through all the federal certification hoops, and the manufacturer's own mandatory durability requirements and specifications and infinite hoops and forms and tests and specs and red-tape, is a testimony to the fine powertrain engineers in place at SVT. "Slap a blower on"??? Dude, that's your garage......... the 03-04 Cobra mill is light-years beyond being that simple a prospect. Supercharged powertrains are engineered and calibrated as a complete unit, not as a bolt-on under an oak tree.
 
Rootus said:
This is 100% bull poop. You can buy a Ford GT crate motor for $45k. Does that make a 5.4L SC a $45k motor? NO. Does it cost Ford anywhere even approaching that amount of money to make a 5.4L SC? Of course not. DUH.
LOL, no it obviously doesn’t mean it costs Ford 45K but your not going to see a 2 injector 5.4 DOHC, Dry sump, Twin Screw AL Block or anything close to it in the Cobra. Aside from the costs (and that motor DOES have major cost differences vs. lets say the L’s motor) the issue of the motors dimensions not being friendly to the Chassis, the increased weight issues to the front end of the Cobra and don’t forget about pissing their high end customers off. The GT’s exclusiveness isn’t only with the car itself, it’s also the hp numbers etc. You’re not going to see Ford piss off the GT owners by releasing a car with the same motor or even anything close to it in a >40K car. Also they’re not going to release a Cobra that’s going to get the mileage that the GT gets. The GT is MUCH lighter and aerodynamic and it gets about 12-14mpg. A cobra would get about 10-12mpg. That could kill their CAFÉ standards and you can kiss any L from coming back with a Cobra running the GT’s motor in it.