Look at these fast civics! Makes me want to sell the stang.
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pb_paulie_b
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pb_paulie_b said:
I don't know an exact number. There is a guy in Las Vegas who is pushing 411 to the wheels right now on a stock block. Not sleeved or anything. Remember, these are open deck engines also. I don't know if I would feel completely comfortable relying heavily on a 400whp stock block however. I would have no problems pushing 250-300 out of a stock block with little to worry about however.
pb_paulie_b
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This Mustang owner ALSO has a CBR600RR.Redline_RR said:
My CBR will whip your CBR
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Cman88 said:
Yeah, all the trains just driving around the street. One passed me on the highway, I heard a blowoff valve, must have had a turbo kit. (IOW, your comparison is stupid.) The chances of your car being hit by a full size truck is very likley. What is the chance of being hit by a train?
The prices you pay for parts is very low, I assume you work for a company or have a company where you get parts cheap.
The fact is that a Mustang, or any other muscle/pony car with good exaust, cam, ect, will sound and have bad ass feel, being fast is just a bonus, while with the civic, if it is as quick, that's all it has.
A mustang, or camaro (in my case right now) is just a lot more car. Even if I build them to outperform a AMG benz or M series BMW, A/S series Audi, ect, I won't compare my car to those, I know better. A civic is a econobox compact, and no matter what, I will continue to be that.
Why can you pick up civics and thier motors for so cheap? Because that's all they are worth.
Lets see some track vids of this econo-moster. My Z28 I paid 5K for it, I bet it with only a few mods done by the previous owner will outperform the civic in every aspect except MPG, and it doesn't sound like a bumble bee.
90mustangGT said:
Actually, the GE locomotives are turbocharged. The EMD's are also, but some of the older EMD units are supercharged. They make anywhere from 4,000 to 6,000hp also.
I don't have any track vids for you. My goal in this whole debate wasn't to show anyone up. Unfortunately there is always a select few who feel the need to measure cocks with a conversation like this.
Whats done to the Z28?
Tonys96Cobra
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:Word: How many 10 sec civics have full interiors and are worthy of being a DD? None that Ive seen. A trubo mustang on the other had can be. i have never seen a civic that I liked, they look terrible with those dumbazz bodykits. The newer ones are OK for what they were made to be, a sporty econo box.Redline_RR said:
Cman88 said:Actually, the GE locomotives are turbocharged. The EMD's are also, but some of the older EMD units are supercharged. They make anywhere from 4,000 to 6,000hp also.
I don't have any track vids for you. My goal in this whole debate wasn't to show anyone up. Unfortunately there is always a select few who feel the need to measure cocks with a conversation like this.
Whats done to the Z28?
I'm not trying to show anyone up either, I'm just calling the BS of those who do. Some people like to do things differently, and they think it makes them smarter. Honestly, more than any car, I would love to have a big turbo diesel truck. Cars are just toys anyways.
The Z28 just has Eibach springs and 02 SS wheels, hotcam (mild), longtubes, exaust, CIA, and I am putting the electric w/p because the factory was leaking and the electric was cheaper, and an underdrive pulley. Needs a fuel pump because the checkball is bad, a few other minor things. I want to get better than a mail-order tune. It needs a converter because of the cam, and 3.23 gears don't help it either, but I don't think I will go that far before selling. I am not sure. I'd rather have the fox running, even if it's slower, but the Dart block sitting in Rick91GT's shop will get it's other components when the car is sold, and it really won't be slow then.
pb_paulie_b
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ms93gt said:Now thats what I'm talking about.
Hey cman if you don't mind me asking, where are you from?
I am in the Sacramento, Ca area. Thats one thing I never mentioned. My car is smog legal, has full interior, A/C, and I also added power windows/locks/mirrors. I hate the bumblebee exhaust as much as the next guy as well as body kits, wings, stickers...
Just came back from the wrecking yard. Got a fan and shroud for the stang. Hopefully this will fix the issue.
Cman88 said:
At least yours doesn't sound like a ricemobile from the way you describe it. Honestly, I like any kind of car someone built. I'll respect a civic running 12's a whole lot more than the guy that went to the delership and bought a new vette. I hate bought speed.
BTW: How do y'all like my new avatar!!! The LT1 was ugly.
Cman88 said:
you speak so much about not being close minded, about opening your eyes, about how cheap it is to modify a civic, about how its not the same to compare nitrous to a turbo because its cheaper, yet you're posting about putting in forged internals in the 4 banger for as cheap as 700 dollars because you dont pay for installation, 99 percent of racers out there do. So I think you're not being fair on both sides, you're posting from extreme ends of the spectrum, on the civic you can find a way to do it for cheap, and better, but for the Mustang you cant come up with finding a set of 3:73 gears(which are probably the most popular for the 5.0Ls) I think you're just trying hard to come up with excuses of why NOT to modify the Mustang over the civic.
An engine swap is an engine swap, no matter what. If you want the cost effective route to make power I can buy a used home made turbo kit for about 1000-1500, install it my self into my '88 coupe $500 for tuning, and run 12s EASY (as is I already have run a best of 13.7 with the stock H/C/I on slicks. So with your logic you dont mind doing an engine swap AND a turbo on a civic to run 13s but you dont see the point in doing an engine swap(for an NA 320hp) into a fox to run 13s too? It goes back to my original point in the first paragraph, seems like you're looking hard to not modify the 5.0
by the way even a stock 320hp NA cobra 4.6L motor in a fox will be good for mid to high 12s, its all in the driver, wether import or domestic. So please stop playing the "i'm not ignorant and have an open mind about other cars" card because by the sounds of it you're not.
PS, I dont hate other cars either, far from it, I simply prefer Fords/Mustangs.
Flavadave4
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I have been looking at Integras for a couple weeks, I am in need of a daily driver and a\m looking for something FWD but somewhat quick and good on gas.....so the GSR is what i have my eys set on.
THere are alot of POS wannabe cars that think they are fast, but i must say that many of the guys i have talked to about these cars take them for what they are and have been very cool guys.
I really like the JDM look as they call it, some of it gets a little crasy with all this OEM Type-R stuff and what not but i like alot of what i see.
THere are alot of POS wannabe cars that think they are fast, but i must say that many of the guys i have talked to about these cars take them for what they are and have been very cool guys.
I really like the JDM look as they call it, some of it gets a little crasy with all this OEM Type-R stuff and what not but i like alot of what i see.
MarSaleenMustan said:
Its not that I am looking for reasons to NOT modify the Mustang... I am here to look for reason TO modify the Mustang. Like I said, I haven't had time to take it to the track, so I don't know where it sits. The mod list is in the sig, its pretty much how I bought it. Has 140k miles on it, seems to smoke a TOUCH when revved up (blue) but I haven't noticed any oil loss on the stick. I put an off road H pipe on it, fixed the blown headgasket and just put the stock fan/shroud back on today. Thats been about it. I would GUESS its a high 14. Problem is I see MANY people with heads/cam/gears and they are barely in the 13's. I was eyeing a set of trick flow heads, but those are $1,200. Thats a LOT to put into the car for the gains they bring. The Mustang, in my eyes, should be in the 12's if I am going to do something along these lines. If I knew I could reach 12's that easy, I'd be out there now doing stuff....
I have been working on Hondas for over 9 years. I used to be a mechanic for Toyota, have my ASE's, my schooling, all that crap. I build my own engines, do all my own tuning, etc. With that in mind, yeah, I can save money over the average joe I suppose you could say. I guess you can say over the years I have learned a thing or two about how to get power out of these 4 cylinders. SOHC engines are dirty cheap, but the heads flow like ass. Without boost of some kind, they are worthless to modify. The joy of them is if you do blow them up, its not expensive to replace them. For all motor application, the DOHC Vtec engines are the way to go right now. Still realatively cheap (nothing as cheap as Mustangs) but cheaper then H series or K. Thats what I used to have is a GSR engine in my hatch. Ran 13.8 @ 102. Was pretty damn quick on the street, but I needed something cheaper and cash in my hand.. so it was sold. I got the Mustang with the intentions of it being even cheaper to get power from. I didn't realize these heads were as bad as my single cam. lol. I like doing things different then most people. Swapping in a large engine like a modular just doesn't sound like a whole hell of a lot of fun. I thought about rebuilding the bottom end, sticking in a cam, getting some gears and praying for high 13's. Just don't know if I would get there or not. Its not reasons I am seaking, I guess its more reassurance that its going to get me to a certian level. I know what does what with Honda's... Mustangs is a different ball game.
Well whatever. Fact is, none of those dumb ass import drivers can shift worth a ****!
You would think that the sound of the rev limiter would at least trigger something in their brains that says "Hey, it's time to shift". But hell no, they continue to ride the limiter for half a second or so. Dumbasses.
You would think that the sound of the rev limiter would at least trigger something in their brains that says "Hey, it's time to shift". But hell no, they continue to ride the limiter for half a second or so. Dumbasses.
88 Fox GT said:Well whatever. Fact is, none of those dumb ass import drivers can shift worth a ****!
You would think that the sound of the rev limiter would at least trigger something in their brains that says "Hey, it's time to shift". But hell no, they continue to ride the limiter for half a second or so. Dumbasses.
Well, maybe they have problems with a fast revving engine with low gearing? I don't know. I have my car setup to use the check engine light as a shift light. Comes on about 500rpms before the rev limiter. Haven't had any problems. Kinda of handy especially at night I might add.
Cman88 said:
well i'm glad you didnt take that too personal, I can see where you're coming from now. all of those 13 second times you see is due to driving, plain and simple, you can do a turbo and engine swap and run 14s if you cant get it to the ground wether its a big inch v8 or a turbo 4 cyl you'll get no where, thats why you see all of those supras with 600hp running 12s... as well as plenty of '03-'04 cobras. If you want to get into the 12s on all motor heads, intake and suspension is all i takes, like I said i ran a best of 13.7 with a 1.8 60 on stock h/c/i, and i'm far from being the best driver in the world. Now if you want to go beyond that and since you say you have above average technical ability you can do a junkyard turbo setup, pump gas on stock everything else should yield you about 350rwhp or so. thats good enough for deep 12s high 11s on street trim level with AC and decent driving, if you want to go all out you can turn up the boost, ( i wouldnt take it to more than 450rwhp on the stock block/internals) and run 10s with an Auto and built rear end.
turbomustangs.com is where you want to go if you want to go that route, you can build a nice kit for 2000-2500 with new components. you can make power and run good times with these cars, afterall you dont get to be credited with briging back the modern performance era by being a dog.