for all the nay sayers on the 400M...kaase won the engine masters classic 2 years

[Rowdy J]

hey again, i am in iraq...yet again.

I moved to a new base today and picked up a magazine for something to read on the helo and whatnot...and saw the most amazing thing.

a 400m from john kaase won 2 years running. stock production station wagon block. stock crank stroke and bore.
he used the same exact setup we spoke about earlier right down to the plastic spacer between the intake and head with 1 exception...he used a cleveland tunnel ram instead of a windsor. i didnt see that one, because its shorter, but that meant he needed a large plastic spacer (yay..better for the intake cooling). you should be able to place your hand on the intake manifold while the engine is running and not get more than 15 degrees above ambient temp.
that engine was a beast!
500-597 ft-lbs from 3000-6800
500 + horses from 4600 to who knows when..he stopped it at 7k and it still had 632 horses.

597 torque
677 hp
on motor alone...
quite impressive.

most expensive thing about the build were the heads. everything else could be found in a scrap yard or someones garage for next to nothing.

2.2:1 rocker ratio was prolly expensive on cleveland heads too.
2.22 intake valve (insert 64 ounce big gulp cup here)

same length as a windsor, just 1 inch wider than windsor and only 125 lbs heavier.
for the main stream guy, why worry, but for those who want to be different...
imagine what this would do with a fast dual throttle body retro setup with a phat turbo or procharger blower feeding each throttle body?
sick top end.
thank you for your time..

peace out from iraq
rowdy j

 

[NIKwoaC]

Yea, that engine was absolutely sick, but I think you're simplifying it a bit. About the only item on that thing that wasn't aftermarket was the block, and a LOT of the parts were custom fabricated. Even the head-to-intake fasteners were crazy custom-made offset studs.

Hope all is going well in Iraq. Be safe!

 

[WLDHRSE]

Scrap that 400M block, put the crank in a Windsor block, drop some Cleveland heads on it, top it with an EFI sheet-metal intake. Wait a minute, sounds like 1995 all over again!


Kaase is quite the badass though!

 

[90lxcoupe]

Yea, that engine was absolutely sick, but I think you're simplifying it a bit. About the only item on that thing that wasn't aftermarket was the block, and a LOT of the parts were custom fabricated. Even the head-to-intake fasteners were crazy custom-made offset studs.

Hope all is going well in Iraq. Be safe!

I agree, nothing simple about anything kaase does, he could probly figure out how to squeeze hp out of an apple

 

[WLDHRSE]

I agree, nothing simple about anything kaase does, he could probly figure out how to squeeze hp out of an apple

Yep and then someone will take that apple and add a killer new lemon juice injection and gain .3 HP, for a net gain of 30%. Then they'll really be getting somewhere!

 

[NIKwoaC]

Damn, now I want to eat some high horsepower fruit.

 

[GSP393]

I've heard of a guy taking a Windsor block with Cleveland heads. They called it a Clindsor, I'm not making this up either. My guess is it didn't do too well, I never heard anything else about it.

 

[metalman85]

I've heard of a guy taking a Windsor block with Cleveland heads. They called it a Clindsor, I'm not making this up either. My guess is it didn't do too well, I never heard anything else about it.

yeah. its the same thing as a boss 302. the "clevor" has been around and done many times for many years... unless you were bein sarcastic? depending on the head (the 4V flows more than the 2V cleveland head, and no it doesnt have anything to do with the quantity of valves per cylinder...) they have serious horse power making potential.

 

[GSP393]

No I was being serious, but my 215cc Canfields will outflow any Cleveland heads and they're alluminum. I'm sure for an iron head Clevelands are great with the canted valves and all.

 

[Rowdy J]

agreed on the aftermarket stuff, but you dont need all that to make good hp. you need it to beat the engine master classics because everyone else is running it.

you are saying yor canfields will outflow kaase c400's? you have nasty canfields..
i havent seen any head big or small block that will flow more than 400/[email protected] cfm. can u send he specs on them to me? i am very curious to see em.

im not saying you dont, but who needs more than 400 cfm?

and also, rpmmax is making a windsor block with cleveland mains. bolt a set of cleveland heads on it, an you have less rotating resistance with the smaller main bearings and the ability to stroke to 4.250".
i am kicking this idea around with a procharger and some good heads from CHI.

or the 8.7 small block stroke because it uses a spacer the same as the 400m block which will keep things nice and cool with the airgap intake or the new edelbrock rpm tunnel ram type thingy. that looks pretty cool. who knows what i am going to do. it rained last night..im sure thatll change my mind on something today..=)

i might do a. 8.7 block and drop it into a focus with a 6 speed and shoot for 200 mph..=)

 

[GSP393]

I don't have the flow chart on these, they are 215 64cc 2.05/1.60, dual spring.

 

[Rowdy J]

not too bad...kaase had 2.22/1.65 valves, i dont remember the size of the runners.
but the tunnel ram was custom matched all the way down to the size of the intake runners. that was alot of epoxy...

 

[GSP393]

That sounds good. I'm sure many thing's are possible with alot of engines with enough research and fabrication. Example: flathead Fords with Duntov heads.

 

[Rowdy J]

i dont know much about duntov heads, but everyone there has almost unlimited resources and access to any engines they choose, and kaase took an old passenger block 400m and put the best parts on it (like everyone one else) and came out on top. everyone else gave it their best and the 400m won is all i am saying. so, the discussion we had a while back about the 400m being a boat anchor is moot when it can perform as good as the rest (tony birchoff took 2nd with his ls engine only by a mere point or 2).
to ls block vs 400m, who do u think spent more?

you can get a 400 block 100 bucks, throw some aussie heads on it for 500 bucks, grab the intake spacers (or make you own) and put any 351 winsdor intake on it. the rest of the parts at typical garden variety parts.

that combo right there will provide neck break torque from 500 rpm. no need to stroke a windsor and spend 1500 bones for a stroker kit. just put bigblock motor mounts on it. its an inch taller than a small block, no biggie..uses cleveland headers, big block distributor, etc.

they can be made lethal for next to nothing. port those aussie heads and you will have a nasty engine for 1/2 the price of a garden variety windsor...the 2 bbl aussie heads have 2.05 intake and 1.65 exhaust. all thats needed is to open em up and smooth it out and you can match a whole lot of after factory heads right now and still be in the "stock iron head" class.
pretty cheep if you use your imagination and different than everyone else.

thats what the discussion was a while back...