Hi. I am putting a new crate motor into a 93 mustang. When I try to start it the engine cranks and fires sporatically, but never turns on. I pulled the codes and get code 122, which means tps below minimum range. I have checked the tps voltage and get .81. Can anybody give me some insight on why my car is not starting. Thanks.
TPS code problem: Try this... Currently there is some dispute about setting it at .99 volts being worth the effort, but anything less is probably OK. All you need is less than 1.0 volt at idle and more than 4.25 at Wide Open Throttle (WOT). Somewhere between .70 and .99 is the best range. You'll need a Digital Voltmeter (DVM) to do the job. The Orange/White wire is the VREF 5 volts from the computer. You use the Dark Green/Lt green wire (TPS signal) and the Black/White wire (TPS ground) to set the TPS. Use a pair of safety pins to probe the TPS connector from the rear of the connector. You may find it a little difficult to make a good connection, but keep trying. Put the safety pins in the Dark Green/Lt green wire and Black/White wire. Make sure the ignition switch is in the Run position but the engine isn't running. Here’s a TPS tip I got from NoGo50 When you installed the sensor make sure you place it on the peg right and then tighten it down properly. Loosen the back screw a tiny bit so the sensor can pivot and loosen the front screw enough so you can move it just a little in very small increments. I wouldn’t try to adjust it using marks. (copied from MustangMax, Glendale AZ) 1. Always adjust the TPS and Idle with the engine at operating temp. Dive it around for a bit if you can and get it nice and warm. 2. When you probe the leads of the TPS, do not use an engine ground, put the ground probe into the lead of the TPS. You should be connecting both meter probes to the TPS and not one to the TPS and the other to ground. 3. Always reset the computer whenever you adjust the TPS or clean/change any sensors. I just pull the battery lead for 10 minutes. 4. Check the procedure for your year, on my 90 I have to turn the idle screw until it just touches the tab, then insert a .010 feeler gauge and give it about one more turn. Make sure that the TPS voltage increases as you open the throttle. If it doesn't check the orange/white wite for 5 volts +/- .25 volt Once the TPS issues are resolved and you still have a no start problem, try this: Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs Revised 18-Oct-2006 to include TFI fault during crank/run cycle All text applies to all models unless stated otherwise. Note: 94-95 specific changes are in red 1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park and set the parking brake. Remove the coil wire from distributor & and hold it 3/8” away from the engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark. Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability: A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped B.) Coil C.) TFI module D.) PIP sensor in distributor. See paragraph 3A - a noid light will tell if the pip is working by flashing when the engine is cranking. E.) No ECC or computer power - ECC or computer relay failure 86-93 models only: ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires 94-95 models only: EEC or PCM power relay in the constant control relay module. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. F.) No ECC or computer power - fuse or fuse link failure 86-93 models only: Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid. 94-95 models only: 20 amp EEC fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire. H.) Computer J.) Engine fires briefly, but dies immediately when the key is released to the Run position. Crank the engine & when it fires off, pull the small push on connector (red wire) off the starter relay (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Hold the switch in the crank position: if it continues to run there is a problem with either the ignition switch or TFI module. Check for 12 volts at the red/green wire on the coil with the switch in the Run position. Good 12 volts, then replace the TFI. See the following links for wiring diagrams... http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 86 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167158.gif Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 87 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8016715e.gif Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 88 model http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167162.gif http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 89-90 cars http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8019595f.gif Computer/fuel pump/ignition wiring diagram, 91-93 cars http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195960.gif http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars 2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability: A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40 B.) Distributor cap C.) Rotor D.) Spark Plug wires E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil 3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start. Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct. Two reasons: 1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased. 2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts. If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4. Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have. No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability: A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay. C.) Clogged fuel filter D.) Failed fuel pump E.) 86-93 models only: Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid. 94-95 models only: 20 amp fuel pump fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the Dark green/yellow wire on the constant control relay module. F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove the vacuum line from the regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while the pump is running. Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing. A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring. B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too. a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on. b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold). c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors. 4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK. A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car. B.) Failed computer (not very likely) C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently). D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines. HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
I've hooked up a voltmeter to test my TPS voltage. It does increase from .81V to 4.56V, so I'm pretty sure that the TPS is sending the right signal. I also have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, that I have ajdusted all the way open and all the way closed. This has had no effect on the fuel pressure. The most probable thing to me is to change the fuel pump.
.81 is too low. you want to aim for .97-.99. I would think it would run even with that low voltage though. What is your fuel pressure?
Step through the checklist one itme at a time. If you find that the fuel pump isn't working, here's the test path. Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability: A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch B.) Fuel pump Relay: On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. C.) Clogged fuel filter D.) Failed fuel pump E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running. The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power path. The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the relay will not close the power contacts. The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness. The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit. Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit. diagram of the wiring for 91-93 cars. Power circuits: Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay). No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92 or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be mistaken for the fuel pump relay. Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit. Inertia switch: Check the brown/pink wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the dark green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire (inertia switch output). Power on the dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire means the inertia switch is open. Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position. Sometimes the inertia switch will be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that there is 12 volts on both sides of the switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop measured across the switch is less than .75 volts. Control circuits: Relay: The red wire for the fuel pump relay coil gets its power feed from the ECC relay. No 12 volts here, and the ECC relay has failed or there is bad wiring or bad connections coming from it. The ECC relay is located on top of the computer, which is under the passenger’s side kick panel. It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side dash speaker out to access it. Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector. With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad. Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect . Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood . Remove the plastic cover over the computer wiring, but leave the computer wiring connector plugged into the computer. With the ignition switch in the run position, connect a test lamp to the battery and back probe pin 22, the light blue/orange wire with it. The lamp should glow brightly. No glow and the computer has died a sad death. If you used a voltmeter instead of a test lamp, you should see battery voltage, whatever that may be… See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ Fuel pump runs continuously: The light blue/orange wire has shorted to ground. Disconnect the computer and use an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange wire and ground. You should see more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t jumpered to ground.
I can hear my fuel pump prime when I turn the key to the "on" position. When I crank the engine I am only getting ~ 20psi.
I changed the fuel pressuer regulator and the car started right up. Now the engine is running rough. I turned the distributor until the car ran at idle. Do engines run rough when they first start up?
Check the fuel pressure 37-39 PSI at idle, vacuum line disconnecrted and capped. Look for vacuum leaks while you are at it. See "Help me create the Surging Idle Checklist" at http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=534062 for help with your idle problems. The first post contains all the updates to the fixes. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions.
Now I've got good fuel pressure, and the car will start, but I think that some cylinders are not firing. I pulled the plugs and noticed that 4 spark plugs look brand new, like they've never fired. The other four have carbon deposits. I've checked the firing order and it is wired correctly. What could be causing 4 cylinders to not fire?
It has to be your firing order. If you wire a H.O. car like a standard 289 or 302 only 4 cylinders will fire. and vise a versa. Perhaps you think you have a H.O. cam but you do not. 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 as apossed to 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
I think I was looking at the wrong firing order. I am going to re-wire the car and hopefully it fixes the problem. Thanks for your help
