Fuel Pump And Relay

Png1978

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He what's up mustangers! Have a little issue with my 88 GT vert. Was seeing if anybody got some information.

The other day came out and car would not crank. Noticed the fuel pump was not primeing. I normally hear it now I don't at all. It had died a few times on we while cranking last few weeks and pump was super loud. So I'm assuming it's the pump.


I did want to check the fuel solenoid though. So I get 12v on both the wire from the fusable link and the wire from the relay by the computer. I only get 12v on the wire to fuel pump when I first turn key on it then drops to 6v. I am assuming this is because it's done primeing.


However when I go to crank the car all the wires drop to 9v and stay there never hitting 12v again till I let off the key and try to restart. So does the pump start just off the initial prime? Even when it does hit 12v the pump still does not make noise.

So am I still looking at a bad fuel pump or something else? I did try another relay a new one and the same thing happened. Thanks for any info.
 
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Might be a good time to upgrade the pump. What are your power plans?

Well the car has shorty headers, flowmasters, KnN filte with silencer removed, 3.73 gear and I have a set of pulleys for it. That's about all I plan on doing to it. I might upgrade the mass air meter and a throttle body to. I have two mustangs and have been slowly restoring this one to be my daily driver. Now it's not starting though. Car is 30 years old so I know i gotta work the kinks out of it.

I was looking at a walboro 155 or 190 pump for it.
 
Replace the pump and enjoy the peace of mind that comes with it. Replacing should take you no more than 2-3 hours your first time doing it. For your application either of the pumps you mentioned would fit the bill.
 
Do the diagnostic work BEFORE you replace the fuel pump!!!

Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 87-90 Mustangs


Revised 1-Dec-2015 to add fuse links diagram.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 1-3 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the upper LH corner to ground.

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Turn the ignition switch on when you do this test.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most Mustangs built before 92. See the diagram to help identify the fuel pump relay wiring colors. Be sure to closely check the condition of the relay, wiring & socket for corrosion and damage.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

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The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

Control Path
The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch (red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.


Power Path
The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness. The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump relay contacts.

Fuse links
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Fuse links come with a current rating just like fuses. A clue as to what current they are designed for is to look at the size wire they protect. Fuse link material is available at most good auto parts stores. There may even be a fuse link already made up specifically for your car. Just be sure to solder the connection and cover it with heat shrink tubing.

Heat shrink tubing is available at Radio Shack or other electronics supply stores.

See the video below for help on soldering and heat shrinking wiring. There is a lot of useful help and hints if you don’t do automotive electrical work all the time.


View: http://youtu.be/uaYdCRjDr4A


When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). Notice that pin 19 on the computer is the monitor to make sure the pump has power. The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

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Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

All voltage reading are made with one voltmeter lead connected to the metal car body unless otherwise specified

Check for 12 volts at the red wire on the inertia switch. No 12 volts at the inertia switch, the ignition switch is turned off or faulty or there is no power to the EEC (computer) power relay. To be sure look for good 12 volts on the red wire on any fuel injector.
Good 12 volts means the EEC relay is working. No 12 volts and the ECC wiring is at fault.
Look for 12 volts on the red/green wire on the ignition coil: no 12 volts and the ignition switch is faulty, or the fuse link in the ignition power wire has blown. No 12 volts here and the ECC relay won’t close and provide power to the inertia switch. Check the Red/black wire on the inertia switch, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open. Push the button on the side of it to reset it, and then recheck. Good 12 volts on one side and not on the other means the inertia switch has failed.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay). No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, bad ignition switch or ignition switch wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector somewhere under the driver’s side kick panel, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

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The yellow wire is the fuel tank sender to the fuel quantity gage. The two black wires are grounds. One ground is for the fuel tank sender and the other is the fuel pump. The ground for the fuel pump may be larger gauge wire that the fuel tank sender ground wire.

Make sure that the power is off the circuit before making any resistance checks. If the circuit is powered up, your resistance measurements will be inaccurate.

You should see less than 1 Ohm between the black wire(s) and ground. To get some idea of what a good reading is, short the two meter leads together and observe the reading. It should only be slightly higher when you measure the black wire to ground resistance.

The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood. Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died. Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin. With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

Fuel pump runs continuously: The fuel pump relay contacts are stuck together or the Tan/Lt Green wire has shorted to ground. In extreme ghetto cases, the pump relay may have been bypassed. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket. Then disconnect the computer and use an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the Tan/Lt Green wire and ground. You should see more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t jumpered to ground.
If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.

Prior to replacing the computer, check the computer power ground. The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness

If all of the checks have worked OK to this point, then the computer is bad. The computers are very reliable and not prone to failure unless there has been significant electrical trauma to the car. Things like lightning strikes and putting the battery in backwards or connecting jumper cables backwards are about the only thing that kills the computer.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) &
Stang&2Birds (website host)

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Fuel pump replacement 5.0 Fox body Mustangs

Here are some useful tips...

I have done the tank removal three times, and the main issues are getting the car up on jack stands and getting the gas out of the tank. DO NOT try to do this job without jack stands. Becoming a pancake is not part of the repair process.

Pumping out the old gas:
If the old pump still works, you can use it to pump the tank out.
1.) Separate the pressure line (the one with the Schrader valve on it) using the fuel line tools.
Look in the A/C repair section for the fuel line tools. They look like little plastic top hats. You will need the 1/2" & 5/8" ones. The hat shaped section goes on facing the large part of the coupling. Then you press hard on the brim until it forces the sleeve into the coupling and releases the spring. You may need someone to pull on the line while you press on the coupling.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRTjYAxvaCs

Use a piece of garden hose to run from the pressure line to your bucket or gas can. Make sure it is as leak proof as you can make it. Fire and explosion are not part of the repair process...

2.) Jumper the fuel pump test point to ground.

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Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. the fuel pump will pump the tank almost dry unless the battery runs down first.

Some 5 gallon paint pails lined with garbage bags are good to hold the gas. The garbage bags provide a clean liner for the pails and keep the loose trash out of the gas so you can reuse it. If you decide to use a siphon, a piece of 1/2" garden hose stuck down the filler neck will siphon all but a gallon or so of the gas.

Remove the filler neck bolts and put them in a zip bag. Disconnect the supply & return lines by removing the plastic clips from the metal tubing. If you damage the clips, you can get new ones form the auto part store for just a few dollars. I have used tie-wraps, but that is not the best choice. Then you remove the two 9/16" nuts that hold the T bolts to the straps. Put the nuts in the zip bag with the filler bolts. Pull the plastic shield down and away from the tank. Once the tank drops a little bit you can disconnect the wiring for the pump & fuel quantity sender.

The pump assembly comes out by removing a large metal ring that unscrews from the tank. You are supposed to use a brass punch to tap on the ring so that you don't make sparks. Look closely at the rubber O ring gasket when you remove the sender: it is very easy to damage on reinstallation. If it gets damaged, the car will smell like gasoline when you fill the tank up. The pump assembly requires some twisting and turning to get it out the hole.

Look very closely at the electrical wiring. The stock fuel pump wiring can overheat and melt the insulation. Mine had some really crummy plastic tubing slid over the quick disconnects. If the wires ever got together, there would be sparks inside the fuel tank and no more Mustang. I eliminated the splice in the middle of the wiring and went straight from the pump to the feed through connectors for the wiring. It required some soldering and crimping of new tabs on the wires, but it made a neater job.

Inspect the pump mount to metal tubing bracket. Mine broke and I couldn't get it to solder back together. I drilled a small hole for a machine screw & self locking nut to hold the clamp and bracket together.

The pump is easy to get off the mount but is somewhat difficult to get back it the tank without damaging the sock filter or tearing it on the tank baffle. When you install the metal ring that holds the pump in place, watch out for the gasket O ring. Some RTV may be helpful if the ring is not in excellent condition.

The tank to filler pipe seal is a large rubber grommet. Inspect it for hardening, tears and damage. At $20 from the Ford dealer, it might be a good idea to replace it.

I used a floor jack to help lift the tank back in place. A piece of ¾” plywood cut to about the same size as the tank will help insure that you don’t damage the tank by using the floor jack to lift it in place. You may find that it is the only time you really can make good use of a helper.
 
Well last night I jumped the wires under the hood to test the fuel pump circuit. I tested the voltage at the fuel relay like diagnostic information says. I had 12v everywhere I was suppose to but still no pump primeing or running. So I went back to the tank and checked the voltage at the pump. I had 12v there has well pump still not running. Also checked fuel pressure it had none. So the pump has proper voltage but not running. I also tried a brand new relay and it had same readings has old one. So I think relay is working properly.

I went ahead and dropped the tank today and started the process of putting a new pump in. Hopefully this will get it back running. Then it's time for all new inner and outer Tie Rods, ball joints, and bushings for rack, sway bar and end links.
 
If you tested all the voltages & they checked out, you didin't need to try a new relay. Since ours is under the seat, it will last forever. They moved it to the engine compartment in later years. If it was the original pump, they don't last forever, they were only 88 LPH. My replacement pump only lasted 20 years, the sock failed & clogged the pump.
 
If you tested all the voltages & they checked out, you didin't need to try a new relay. Since ours is under the seat, it will last forever. They moved it to the engine compartment in later years. If it was the original pump, they don't last forever, they were only 88 LPH. My replacement pump only lasted 20 years, the sock failed & clogged the pump.
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Yea speaking of LPH. You know the pumps from the auto parts store are only 68LPH. None of them had a decent pump in stock. was forced to buy one of them till I order a better one. On top of that I bought the whole hanger assembly. Well it was longer than the stock one and would not fit in the tank. I feel like using that 68LPH pump has a paper weight.

I got to get the car back up or else I would just wait a week for a new pump to come in.
 
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Yea speaking of LPH. You know the pumps from the auto parts store are only 68LPH. None of them had a decent pump in stock. was forced to buy one of them till I order a better one. On top of that I bought the whole hanger assembly. Well it was longer than the stock one and would not fit in the tank. I feel like using that 68LPH pump has a paper weight.

I got to get the car back up or else I would just wait a week for a new pump to come in.
The stock pumps are 88LPH and will work for 4 & 8 cylinder engines. It is very simple to reuse your old pump hanger. Once you have both of them in front of you, it should only take a few minutes to swap the hanger.
 
The stock pumps are 88LPH and will work for 4 & 8 cylinder engines. It is very simple to reuse your old pump hanger. Once you have both of them in front of you, it should only take a few minutes to swap the hanger.


Yea that's what I'm going to do. Yea I know that the stock one is 88LPH but look at this pump in this pic. It says 18GPH. Pretty sure that's only 68LPH. Unless I'm missing some thing here it looks like the auto parts store pumps are not even close to OEM pumps.
 

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Yea that's what I'm going to do. Yea I know that the stock one is 88LPH but look at this pump in this pic. It says 18GPH. Pretty sure that's only 68LPH. Unless I'm missing some thing here it looks like the auto parts store pumps are not even close to OEM pumps.
It's probably not for your make & model. Almost all vehicles have the same style fuel pump & they're all made by Walbro. Unless a Chinese copy of a Walbro.
 
It's probably not for your make & model. Almost all vehicles have the same style fuel pump & they're all made by Walbro. Unless a Chinese copy of a Walbro.

Yea that was the pump they pulled up for my car. Napa's pump was that low to. Good news is car is back running it was the pump. I am going to get a 155 pump in the next few weeks and replace the float for the gauge while at it. It jumps all over the place. I'm assuming it's that. This pump should be fine to just drive the car normall for a few weeks. Thanks for all your help guys
 
Yea that was the pump they pulled up for my car. Napa's pump was that low to. Good news is car is back running it was the pump. I am going to get a 155 pump in the next few weeks and replace the float for the gauge while at it. It jumps all over the place. I'm assuming it's that. This pump should be fine to just drive the car normall for a few weeks. Thanks for all your help guys
All the parts stores use the same database; if one is wrong, they all are wrong. I always look up the part number & tell them what it is. Never, ever trust a parts counter jockey to get it right. They think it's a big joke to give you the wrong part. The pump you have is fine for "normal" driving with an unmodified engine. BTW, don't get one that's too big. They have "issues" with stock fuel lines. 155 or 190 present no additional issues. 255 will have other issues.
 
[QUOTE="Blown88GT,BTW, don't get one that's too big. They have "issues" with stock fuel lines. 155 or 190 present no additional issues. 255 will have other issues.[/QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on said issues you've seen with 255 pumps on stock lines?
 
I run stock pickup, lines, and rails with a 255L/hr high pressure and a boost-a-pump.

It's supporting 480 RWHP. No issues on fuel so far although I'm at the limit of the rails and injectors. I have a good AFR all the way through the power range.

This pump is not necessary for the build in this thread. A Walboro 190 high pressure would be a good pick. That will handle anything short of a supercharger kit and can handle some of the low boost kits.
 
...Can you elaborate on said issues you've seen with 255 pumps on stock lines?
I also run 255L/hr high pressure/flow pump with Kirban AFPR.
Lower limit for any FPR (adjustable or not) is 39 psi, & almost no vacuum compensation at idle. I've performed extensive testing, even enlarged the return port of the FPR & tried various FPR's. Attaching the FPR vacuum line with engine running does not lower pressure. With engine off when voltage is lower, it will lower pressure.the required 4-5 lbs. Return line is just too small for the increased flow returning to the tank. Aftermarket ECU can tune around this. EEC-IV cannot, therefore might have idle issues with stock engine.