1989 Won't Start

jeh2001

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I have a 1989 Mustang EFI system in an old Bronco; engine won't fire. I installed the lower/upper intake, used an RJM Injection Tech harness (great people and they tried to help). I've been working for days to get engine to start, no success. Here is what I've measured/tried...

Spark is present at each cylinder - Inductive timing light fires and I pulled #1 plug and looked at it. shock the snot out of myself too...

#5 Injector has 12 vdc (VOM measured) and is getting the pulse (test light blinks).

Timing set to 10BTDC with SPOUT disconnected. Engine timed by getting "blow" from Cyl#1, moving engine to TDC, installing distributor so rotor point to #1 (toward back)...

Electronic Fuel Pressure gauge (dash mounted). Sender installed right before fuel rail shows 37-39 PSI consistently. Fuel pumps turn on.

Ignition control module (on distributor) checked good at Autozone.

No unexpected codes from the computer, and NO hard codes.

I have tried lots of things. I got the engine to cough and sputter by spraying starter fluid into the intake but other than that nothing...

As many times as I've tried to start this engine I have not yet smelled gas from flooding. Incidently I don't have the tail pipes on, only headers.

I sure could use some ideas. Clogged fuel rail? I do hear air or gas running into the fuel tank...

HELP!!!!
 
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Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

A word about this checklist before you start: it is arranged in a specific order to put the most likely failure items first. That will save you time, energy and money. Start at the top of the list and work your way down. Jumping around will possibly cause you to miss just what you need to see to find and fix the problem. Don’t skip any steps because the next step depends on the last step working correctly.


Revised 16-Jan-2011 to clarify testing the EEC relay in paragraph 1E .

All text applies to all models unless stated otherwise.

Note: 94-95 specific changes are in red

1.) Remove push on connector (small red/blue wire) from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch to the Run position. Place car in neutral or Park and set the parking brake. Remove the coil wire from distributor & and hold it 3/8” away from the engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.

No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) PIP sensor in distributor. The PIP sensor supplies the timing pulse to trigger the TFI and injectors. A failing PIP sensor will sometimes let the engine start if the SPOUT is removed. See paragraph 5A – Using a noid light will tell if the PIP is working by flashing when the engine is cranking.
C.) TFI module: use a test light to check the TFI module. Place one lead of the test light on the red/green wire on the ignition coil connector and the other lead on the dark green/yellow wire on the ignition coil connector. If the TFI is working properly, the test light will flash when the engine is cranked using the ignition switch.
D.) Coil
E.) No EEC or computer power - EEC or computer relay failure
86-93 models only: EEC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
94-95 models only: EEC or PCM power relay in the constant control relay module. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
Both 86-93 and 94-95 models: No 12 volts with the ignition switch in the run position on the fuel injector red wires. The relay has failed or there is no power coming from the ignition switch. Make sure that there is 12 volts on the red/green wire on the coil before replacing the relay.
F.) No EEC or computer power - fuse or fuse link failure
86-93 models only: Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid. Look for a 20 gauge blue fuse link connected to 2 black/orange 14 gauge wires.
94-95 models only: 20 amp EEC fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire. No 12 volts, blown fuse link or faulty ignition switch. Remove the plastic from around the ignition switch and look for 12 volts on the red/green wire on the ignition switch with it in the Run position. No 12 volts and the ignition switch is faulty. If 12 volts is present in the Run position at the ignition switch but not at the coil, then the fuse or fuse link is blown.
Note: fuses or fuse links blow for a reason. Don’t replace either a fuse or fuse link with one with a larger rating than stock. Doing so invites an electrical fire.
Ignition fuse links may be replaced with an inline fuse holder and 5 amp fuse for troubleshooting purposes.
94-95 models only: Check inside fuse panel for fuse #18 blown – 20 amp fuse
H.) Missing or loose computer power ground. The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery.
In 86-90 model cars, it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire.
In 91-95 model cars it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/white wire.
You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness
I.) Computer.
J.) Bad or missing secondary power ground. It is located between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges.
K.) Engine fires briefly, but dies immediately when the key is released to the Run position. Crank the engine & when it fires off, pull the small push on connector (red wire) off the starter relay (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Hold the switch in the crank position: if it continues to run there is a problem with either the ignition switch or TFI module. Check for 12 volts at the red/green wire on the coil with the switch in the Run position. Good 12 volts, then replace the TFI. No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

Wiring Diagrams:

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 91-93 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/91-93_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 94-95 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/94-95_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif


AutoZone wiring diagrams: You can navigate to the diagrams yourself via Repair Info | AutoZone.com and select the car year, make, model and engine. That will enable you to bring up the wiring diagram for your particular car.

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability: [/b]
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.

Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the EEC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground. The EEC connector is near the wiper motor and LH hood hinge.
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If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In a pinch, you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have. If you have any doubts about having sufficient fuel flow/pressure, rent a fuel pressure test gauge from the auto parts store. That will tell you for sure if you have adequate fuel pressure.


4.) No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) 86-90 models only: Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay.
91-93 models only Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
The fuse links for all model years 86-93 live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp fuel pump fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the Dark green/yellow wire on the constant control relay module.
F.) Engine seem to load up on fuel and may have black smoke at the tailpipe. Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove the vacuum line from the regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while the pump is running. If fuel is coming out the vacuum port, the regulator has failed. Check the regulator vacuum line for fuel too. Disconnect it from the engine and blow air though it. If you find gas, the regulator has failed.

5.) Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.
A.) The PIP sensor in the distributor tells the computer when to fire the injectors. A failing PIP sensor will sometimes let the engine start if the SPOUT is removed.
A noid light available from any auto parts store, is one way to test the injector circuit to see if the injectors are firing. The noid light plugs into the fuel injector harness in place of any easily accessible injector. Plug it in and try to start the engine: it will flash if the injector is firing.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.
D.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
E.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.
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The injector power pin is the VPWR pin in the black 10 pin connector.

F.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the EEC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.
G.) TPS voltage exceeds 3.7 volts with the throttle closed. This will shut off the injectors, since the computer uses this strategy to clear a flooded engine. Use a DVM, a pair of safety pins, and probe the black/white and green wires to measure the TPS voltage.
On a 94-95 Mustang, probe the black/white and grey/white wires to measure the TPS voltage.
It should be .5-.1.0 volts with the key on, engine not running. Note that if the black/white wire (signal ground) has a bad connection, you will get some strange readings. Make a second measurement using the battery post as the ground to eliminate any ground problems. If the readings are different by more than 5%, you may have a high resistance condition in the black/white signal ground circuit.

6.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.
A.) Failed IAB or improperly set base idle (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car. See the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently. If you removed the distributor, there is a good probability that you installed it 180 degrees out of time.
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
F. ) Engine that has had the heads off or valves adjusted. Do a compression test to make sure the valves are not adjusted too tight. You should have a minimum of 90 PSI on a cold engine.
 
Still Dead - Still need help

I've tried everything but I'm obviously missing something.

I've check engine timing (#1 blows, timing marks line up on h balancer), time with sprout disconnected at 10BTDC with inductive timing light. Spark at coil is ouch HOT. Plugs have good solid spark too - travel 1/4-3/8" befire kick the snot out of me. Fuel pressure is between 35-38 (good) and I have return fuel going back to tank (pulled return line just to see fuel for sure). Injectors are flashing (test light) with 12 VDC. I did the compressed air thing and #5 & #1 wiring operate the test injector fine. I replaced the IAC unit, rebuilt the distributor, had the ignition control module tested (good test). I've checked the distributor timing (rotor points to #1 toward rear of car at piston TDC). No hard codes on computer (only EGR 81, 82,84,85 and I don't have EGR - Bronco...). So far as I can tell it should be running. So... here are some questions:

It has spark & fuel. It has a new Idle Control Valve (on side of throttle body). Does the computer actually have to "control" the idle valve for the engine to start? I've also tried the 1/4 open throttle thing. If it has air, fuel, and spark it should run if the timing is right.

When I squirt in some starter fluid/ether the engine sputters, backfires, etc. It is alive. This sure seems like timing to me. According to what I've read about the EEC IV system the computer has little to do with startup. Is that right? Does this eliminate the computer?

This sure seems like a timing issue. I've tried both firing orders and the EFI harness maker (RJM) says it should run either way. However, with all the start attempts, I rarely smell gas. I don't have exhaust other than headers on the engine.

Should I now concentrate on the computer? Unplug,check pins, check continuity, etc. Computer is really buried in the dash but if that is my best bet I can try it. But - how much is the computer really related to start up?

Thanks for any help you can provide - I am stuck...
 
1976 302 EFI conversion

Thanks for working with me. I put the 89 manifold/efi and an RJM harness on the 1976 era block (actually a very new engine, but, in the 1976 Bronco cam configuration). So... I called RJM Injection Technologies regarding the firing order difference. They told me it should run. I'm having my doubts... but 4 of 8 cylinders are correct so I should get something...

1989 HO 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
BroncoNon HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

The engine turns over without any sort of popping, bucking, coughing, backfires, etc. What do thing think? Do you think I need to rewire the injectors?
 
If you re-arrange the injector harness to match the non-HO firing order of that cam, the ecu will be fighting itself and cause you more problems once running. IMHO, you should just put an HO cam in it.

In reply to RJM saying it will run with 4/8 cylinders being correct...try to start a 2 cyl with only one cyl working properly. Good luck
 
This doesn’t prove that the block is a HO block. Some trucks evidently use a HO firing order
with a low lift cam. However, it will definitely prove that a block can’t be HO because the firing order is wrong.


Remove the #1 & #3 spark plugs. Put your finger in #1 spark plug hole. Crank the engine over until you feel compression on #1 cylinder. Slowly turn the engine until the TDC mark and the timing pointer line up. Mark TDC on the balancer with chalk or paint. Put your finger in #3 spark plug hole and crank the engine 90 degrees. You should feel pressure trying to blow past your finger. If you do not feel pressure, repeat the process again. If you feel pressure, it is a HO engine.

No pressure the second time, remove spark plug #5. Put your finger in #1 spark plug hole. Crank the engine over until you feel compression on #1 cylinder. Put your finger in #5 spark plug hole and crank the engine 90 degrees. If you feel pressure now, the engine is not a HO model, no matter what it says on the engine.

Using a small carpenter or machinist square to mark the harmonic balancer off into 90 degree sections may be helpful here.

A 15/16 deep socket & breaker bar or ratchet may be used to turn the engine.

The HO firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
Non HO firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
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Non HO Firing Order

The engine fire 1 then 5, not 1 then 3. So I have an "argument" regarding firing order. RJM says it should run. Commonsense says I have to change the Cam. I have the connector off the computer to check wiring (grounds, ref voltages, etc.). RJM has no reason to tell me incorrect information. My spark plug are not wet with gas as I assume they should be. As a reminder... spark ok, injectors are pulsing, timing 10 BTDC...

Thoughts? Thanks for all the help...
 
Next Steps?

OK - I've checked the computer wiring. All ok (grounds, VREF, Sig Rtn, etc). Compression is 120+ on at least 3 cylinders (1, 3, 5). Firing order of the Plugs is "non HO"; injector s are HO. Injectors are getting the ground pulse and have 12vdc. Timing is 10 BTDC. Timing light is firing so I have spark... Thoughts?
 
Since you confirmed the firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8, the injectors are putting fuel into cylinders 3, 7, 5, & 4 on the exhaust stroke instead of compression. You need to get a correct firing order camshaft in there to match the EFI 1-3-7..... firing order.
 
Putting the distributor back in and setting the timing.
Putting the distributor back in is fairly simple. Pull #1 sparkplug, put your finger in the sparkplug hole,
crank the engine until you feel compression. Then line up the TDC mark on the balancer with the pointer on the engine block.

The distributor starts out with the #1 plug wire lined up at about 12:00 with you facing it. Align the rotor to about 11:00, since it will turn clockwise as it slides into place.

Align the distributor rotor up with the #1 position marked on the cap, slide the distributor down into the block, (you may have to wiggle the rotor slightly to get the gear to engage) and then note where the rotor is pointing.
If it still lines up with #1 position on the cap, install the clamp and bolt. If not, pull it out and turn 1 tooth forwards or backwards and try again. Put the #1 spark plug back in and tighten it down, put the clamp on the distributor, but don't tighten it too much, as you will have to move the distributor to set the timing. Note that there is no such thing as one tooth off on a 5.0 Mustang. If it doesn't align perfectly with #1 position, you can turn the distributor until it does. The only problem is that if you are too far one way or the other, you can't turn the distributor enough to get the 10-14 degree optimum timing range.

10 degrees BTC is towards the drivers side marks.

Simplified diagram of what it looks like. Not all the marks are shown for ease of viewing.

ATC ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '!' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' BTC
---------------- > Direction of Rotation as viewed standing in front of the engine.

The ' is 2 degrees.
The ! is TDC
The ' is 10 degrees BTC
Set the timing 5 marks BTC. Or if you prefer, 5 marks towards the driver's side.

Paint the mark on the harmonic balancer with paint -choose 10 degrees BTC or 14 degrees BTC or something else if you have NO2 or other power adder. I try to paint TDC red, 10 degrees BTC white and 14 degrees BTC blue.

At this point hook up all the wires, get out the timing light. Connect timing light up to battery & #1 spark plug. Then start the engine.

Remove the SPOUT connector (do a search if you want a picture of the SPOUT connector) It is the 2 pin rectangular plug on the distributor wiring harness. Only the EFI Mustang engines have a SPOUT. If yours is not EFI, check for a SPOUT: if you don’t find one, skip any instructions regarding the SPOUT
Warning: there are only two places the SPOUT should be when you time the engine. The first place is in your pocket while you are setting the timing and the second is back in the harness when you finish. The little bugger is too easy to lose and too hard to find a replacement.

Start engine, loosen distributor hold down with a 1/2" universal socket. Shine the timing light on the marks and turn the distributor until the mark lines up with the edge of the timing pointer. Tighten down the distributor hold down bolt, Replace the SPOUT connector and you are done.

The HO firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
Non HO firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

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Mystery Solved - clogged fuel injectors

The bottom lines here are:

Everything was right except that all 8 fuel injectors were clogged. This happened during the long period before I got the "junked" Mustang parts and then while I got around to finishing all the work (dual fuel pumps with dual tanks, electrical, fuel and return plumbing, etc.

Cleaning the injectors was pretty easy but you have to also clean or replace the filter screens on the input side of each injector.

The folks at RJM Injection were absolutely right, the engine run just fine with the screwy difference between the spark and fuel squirt. However, they did suggest an added reason to change to an HO cam. Apparently there have been a bunch of metal to metal failures where the cam lobes and pushrods meet. This has been blamed on the new oil formulations. Apparently there is an additive that is supposed to be used for "old" non-roller engines. I haven't researched this myself yet but it added to the commonsense need to match the HO injector timing and the spark timing.

So conclusions:

1. Thanks for all the suggestions, clear procedures, and general discussions.
2. RJM is good. They provided great support to me - a couple of hours over a few days answering questions. Yesterday afternoon I went step by step over what I had done and what I was seeing. Their conclusion was that "everything" was fine; check for clogged injectors.
3. Their website has great instructions for lots of things, including cleaning the injectors.
4. I'm back to having a lot of work to do on the Bronco - coolant hoses and coolant, exhaust, I have a bit of serpentine belt pulley shimming to due, neaten up the engine area, put fenders and hood on, etc... lots of GOOD work.

Thanks again for all the help. The EFI conversion was actually pretty straight forward, except this 5 day run around due to old varnished up parts...