sawman70 said:
What is the mileage on the 05 Cambirds???
Not being a d*ck, but the Cambird formula did not work. They didn't sell so it doesn't matter. Success is measured by sales and profit only. You can have the fastest, highest mileage car in the world but if you can't make a profit, it won't be around anymore.
EPA rating...
City: 19
Hwy: 28
I believe the A4 was slightly less, like 18 city and 25-26 hwy.
I agree, part of the "formula" didn't work...they simply didn't sell enough to warrant their own plant. If the F platform was shared by other cars or if the Camaro/Firebird were built on a different platform (shared by other cars)...selling 75k units a year would've be fine. It just looks real bad when the Ste. Therese plant was capable of producing around 200k units a year.
However, GM was still making a profit on the F-bodies. If you care, these are probably the top 10 reasons why the F-body died (or went into a coma):
10. The Ford Mustang. It's sales exploded after it's 1999 redesign, yet the overall market collapsed to the point Mustang ended up with about half the market (this includes all the imports as well as the F-bod).
9. The sudden drop in sales in the sport coupe market around 98 (the f-bodies remained the 2nd best selling sport coupes in the US...just shows you how bad things were).
8. SUVs & the profit machines they became. GM stopped spending money on cars & diverted it to trucks.
7. No advertizing.
6. The F-body had a serious shortage of friends in high places.
5. The only way of pulling out of a highly restrictive contract at Ste. Therese, was if f-body sales dropped. Best way to start that happening? Stop advertizing it.
4. The idea of using the Monaro as the basis for a new Camaro was vetoed, as was basing Camaro on a FWD chassis.
3. Safety standards that would have mandated major changes in the roofline which would have required alot of money, which GM didn't want to invest in a chassis developed 20 years prior.
2. No replacement chassis available to base a new one on.
1. No redesign for 10 years!
I didn't write that but I completely agree with it.
And your previous post...
GM is doing about as well as either of the big 2.5 could hope to be doing right now. If you're referring to the "GM employee discount for everyone," Ford and DCX are both doing their own employee discount for everyone now to compete with GM's (since the month of June proved it to be very successful for GM).
And MSRP on a base C6 is $44k...C6 Z06 is $66k.