mattkimsey
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Why does the GT even come up in Z06 threads? One car is $70k and the other is $165k+. The fact that the Z06 can match the GT in performance is awesome.
Why does the GT even come up in Z06 threads? One car is $70k and the other is $165k+. The fact that the Z06 can match the GT in performance is awesome.
What's your idea of keeping up? A stock GT500 does not keep up with a stock C6 ZO6.Flagship Performance Vehicle vs Flagship Performance Vehicle
Why does the Z06 come up in Mustang threads? The fact that a GT500 can keep up with a Z06 (and smoke one in a straight line, with just a little love from KB, come January), is awesome.
Now see how crazy that soundsFlagship Performance Vehicle vs Flagship Performance Vehicle
Why does the Ford GT come up in Mustang threads? The fact that a GT500 can keep up with a Ford GT (and smoke one in a straight line, with just a little love from KB, come January), is awesome.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the GT500 steering feel won't touch the 'Vette. The lack of feel you may notice could be due to the runcraps - not really the best tire for such a great car. I'm pretty sure that every Porsche comes with summer tires or atleast has them as an option.Yes, I'm nit-picking, but C6 steering feel is just about the lousiest numbest dullest there is in the sportscar world. That's the one thing that has screamed at me in the past two generations of Corvette, C5 & C6, pathetic steering feel and precision.
Get a grip, TWO can play at that game. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If it's o.k. for the GT500 guy to bolt on some mods to go faster, then to be honest, you've got to allow for the Z06 guy to choose and install some mods of his own within a similar budget. Otherwise, you're just sounding like your average dipshat Civic-building ricer who thinks that if he can make his 4-banger run with a GT Mustang with modifications, that it means something, not taking into account that if the GT Mustang owner goes to the same amount of trouble, the Honda's doors will still be blown to the weeds.
^ A new Chevy Cobalt SS S/C cost $21,000. If a person puts $10,000 into it and mutilates a GT500 around the track and in the 1/4 -- does that make the Cobalt better?
Yeah, it does make that Cobalt better than the GT500
There's a TON more to cars than what crosses a flippin dragstrip finish line first, so don't tell me a car is "better" because you got there cheaper, that's such a shallow and one-dimensional outlook. If that's the case, who the hell needs a $45K Shelby when you could drop a crate 302 in a gutted Pinto with an AOD, 8.8 and some subframes and a bottle, and obliterate all-comers??
Secondly, an Enzo is a million-flippin-plus dollar car. Good grief, if you're going to make an analogy, keep it within the realm of the Milky Way.
I don't understand the desire or the EXPECTATION to compare Mustangs to Corvettes, or to delusionally think they are better performance cars if you can just make it go in a straight line a bit faster than a Corvette.
It'd be nice if Ford would make a real competitor to the Corvette someday, but given their current state of finance, that's not happening... In the meantime, magazines will continue to place the Shelby next to the Vette, and Ford loyalists will continue to find some way to call the car superior by virtue of being cheaper. Cheapness means nothing. VALUE, that's what you're looking for.
O.K., thanks for the clarity, which is only further enhanced by the fact you're best time is a 14.40 at 98.8 with wide-wheels and Nittos, which is exactly what I used to run back in 1988 in my 225 h.p. 3,500 lb GT convert with nothing more than a $129.95 h-pipe and K&N on sorry-a$$ gatorbacks....
This debate clearly isn't going to go anywhere.... I'm off to eat Sushi and drink a Martini!!
All I was saying was, if the GT is being ruled out of the competition vs the Vette because of price, then the Vette should be ruled out of competition vs the GT500.
Personally, it's not what your car ran stock, and it's not how much you paid for your car stock, and it's not how much you put into your car, and it's not how much your car dyno's for, and it's not what other car's you've beaten, and it's not what cars people with cars like yours have beaten. It's who gets to the finish line first, each race. That is all you will ever have over someone else.
So if I'm racing a Ferrari Enzo, and have put $50k into my car in both horsepower and handling, then it's only fair that the Enzo also has $50k worth of mods? I'd argue that your view is in fact the only UNfair comparison you can make. There are 2 ways to look at this: 1) as stated above, that nothing matters but the results in you vs him at that time on that track; 2) if my car is worth $45k, and your car is worth $75k, and I can whoop your cars ass with anything less than $30,001 in mods, then my car is better. And it makes it that much sweeter that my $75k car looks and sounds better than yours while doing it.
Stop the stock for stock argument. Why are you racing your car stock? If your dealer could prove you were, they wouldn't replace the **** you break.