Have you seen this new DEI concept! AMAZING!

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I don't know if it has been posted on here before, but it's taking the internet by storm!!!!:rolleyes: I'll post a link, but it's down right now because the server can't handle the traffic! no joke. this post in a gm forum has an insane amount of views, regarding this revolutionary technology. direct exhaust injection!!!!!! the guy wants to do this on his C5 corvette.
hope the link is working again soon....:)
http://www.gmmodernmuscle.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2779&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
this is the blueprint. basically, he thinks he can bypass a turbo (since turbo's use exhaust gasses to increase hp) and make it much more efficient by just routing the exhaust right back into the combustion chamber!:rlaugh: read the post! you gotta see what this guy says and thinks!!!!!

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since the link isnt working right now, here's the original post. but you have to see all of the posts to see that this guy is dead serious, and i think he might have more than a couple screws loose....


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Ok. I didn't want to mention it but I was thinking about turbo charging my Vette. I got to thinking about it and how in efficient even turbos are (compressor efficiencies of about 80% at best). Since a turbo's function is to pressurize incoming air and force it into the upper motor, and turbos are driven by high pressure exhaust gas created from the combustion process, couldn't I just bypass the turbo altogether and route my headers back into the throttle bodies? Since I have CFI, I could balance the DEI (direct exhaust injection as I just coined it) by feeding one header into each throttle body. Yes, the charge air wouldn’t be that cold, but it would be under a hell of a lot more pressure. I attached a quick sketch below:


There are still a few things I need to work out:
1) How do I get the CFI aircleaner to fit in a way that hides this plumbing?
2) Does anyone make a V-band clamp that will bolt an exhaust header to a CFI throttle body?
3) What pinion angle should I use in my rear-end? I’m sure there will be a noticeable difference in torque output.
What do you guys think?
 

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it's pretty much a perpetual motion machine!!! i can't believe that the big auto manufacturers engineers were so stupid to not come up with this idea first!

ps - it's really too bad that that link is down, because its really something that you have to read to appreciate. pretty hilarious. this forum has had hundreds of thousands of views on this thread, which is why i think the server is overloaded. almost every type of car forum has posted links to it and makes fun of the guy on there, but he repeatedly defends his idea and swears he will make it work, and make fools of the doubters. there was even a wikipedia link about his idea! i just wanted to post it while i still had the link...
 
It would probably work somewhat if you could seprate the exhaust from the air charge,but I dont see how that could be done with out some crazy piston and valve arragments. Also,if the piston is compressing the air,wouldn't that in its self cause a power lose from the negative torque (the compressing air would wanna force the piston back down on the exhaust stroke,working agains the cranks motion)?
 
I mean it could work but it would cost a fortune to manufacture I mean since Eaton started making M112 superchargers they have since tore down their Flux Capacitor line so who would make them. I mean you could get Kenne Bell but I would be too afraid they would just drop the ball again and on a project of this magnatude no way not me. This is just too big of a deal I mean the Krook's headers alone would cost a fortune, plus I can't find my lab coat. AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn you DEI Damn you!!!
 
it would need to be intercooled on the way back into the throttlebody, air that hot and full of smog would kill the innards of a motor real fast.
 
Actually, before the server went down, he improved the design with intercoolers. I tried to sign up over there to suggest he try meth injection instead of the intercoolers but I suppose the board is being overrun and I was not approved for membership. This revolutionary new technology even had a wikipedia entry for a period of time. If you were to google Direct exhaust injection, you will see that this is all over the interwebs.
 
I mean it could work but it would cost a fortune to manufacture I mean since Eaton started making M112 superchargers they have since tore down their Flux Capacitor line so who would make them. I mean you could get Kenne Bell but I would be too afraid they would just drop the ball again and on a project of this magnatude no way not me. This is just too big of a deal I mean the Krook's headers alone would cost a fortune, plus I can't find my lab coat. AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn you DEI Damn you!!!



Hmmmmm.... an exhaust powered twin screw supercharger. Find your lab coat. We may be on to something here.
 
i actually had to do a research project on this kinda stuff. exhaust gas energy recovery. and i found a lot of interesting ideas. obviusly that one wouldnt work at all...lol. but i found one for a electrical generator type thing that worked just like a turbo but could put out 1000x more juice than an alternator. there was also an idea about a steam engine assist thing that used the exhaust heat to power a steam engine that was connected to the crankshaft via a belt and it increased mpg by like 35% or something.

there was also something more along the lines of what this guy is talking about. it actually was shown on horsepower TV a while ago. the guy had a fiero with some sort of re-circualted exhaust gases that got like triple the MPG and twice the horsepower. but the tempratures it made would have destroyed any kind of engines we have today. guys name was smokey yunik

edit: found a patent on it with some pictures.
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US04862859__
 
Smokey did something alltogether different. His idea was that instead of cooling the intake air charge, he would use hot exhaust gasses to to super-heat the intake air charge in order to finely atomize the fuel spray. The heating took place once the air was trapped in the intake. The fuel/air expanded and made a positive pressure effect in the intake.

Banks Power ran an article on that some time ago.

It appears that it works pretty well. Not the same thing as shooting exhaust gasses directly into the inlet.

Smokey came up with the "after-heater" as oppsed to the after-cooler. hehe
 
Smokey did something alltogether different. His idea was that instead of cooling the intake air charge, he would use hot exhaust gasses to to super-heat the intake air charge in order to finely atomize the fuel spray. The heating took place once the air was trapped in the intake. The fuel/air expanded and made a positive pressure effect in the intake.

Banks Power ran an article on that some time ago.

It appears that it works pretty well. Not the same thing as shooting exhaust gasses directly into the inlet.

Smokey came up with the "after-heater" as oppsed to the after-cooler. hehe

So there is actually advantage to super-heating your intake charge, granted you had an engine that could support that type of thing??