GM guy here, thinking of a '05, I don't know though, knowing of ford quality....

[Ron Jeremy]

TampaBear67,

That's what I've been telling everyone in here. They should buy the extended warranty. It will save them lots of money in the longrun on expensive repairs. So, if your transmission or anything else major breaks down while the car has under 100,000 miles on it, the manufacturer will cover it 100%. So, having the extended warranty is a very smart thing to have on a car if you intend to keep it for a long time.

 

[GM Dude]

My 79 mustang has 174,000 miles on it and the 88 mustang 5.0 thats in it has 198,000 miles on it and the engine has never been rebuilt and it doesnt smoke or make any funny noises, it makes 237 hp and pulls strong.

BTW about your fiero being the only american made mid engine car comment, wasn't the GT40 a mid engine car and if you count the DeTomaso Pantera that was a mid engine car also and they both came before the fiero and they both made a hell of alot more power.

No, I said the Fiero was the only mass produced mid-engined sports car ever, at least thats what I meant to say. GT40 was mid engined, yes, but only a few compared to the 140,000 of the fiero's produced. The Pantera, even having a Ford name for a while, is all italian made, short of the 351, and trans (I believe).

 

[siege]

Wait, are you sure it's an '83, or was this a typo? I seem to remember they did away with the F-100 in model year 1975 or so, and that was to keep it above a certain GVW so it didn't require emission stuff, my dad leased a '75 and that was the first F-150 I remember.

yes its an 83. 83 was the last year for the 100's

 

[66Satellite]

No, I said the Fiero was the only mass produced mid-engined sports car ever, at least thats what I meant to say. GT40 was mid engined, yes, but only a few compared to the 140,000 of the fiero's produced. The Pantera, even having a Ford name for a while, is all italian made, short of the 351, and trans (I believe).

Ever heard of the Fiat X19? How about the Porsche 914?

oops, went back I guess you meant American mass produced...

 

[Enzora]

My family's had several Ford and GM cars over the years, and We've never had any problems with either. We had a 91 Explorer that went 200,000 miles on the original engine and tranny before it needed a rebuild. On the other hand, My dad had an 89 Silverado that had 130K on it when he sold it. The only problem was we had to shift it so it read neutral to get it in drive. We only sold it because he wanted something more powerful to haul his horse trailer. So we got the F-250.

Of course, my dad's been a Ford service tech for years. Just goes to show, take care of your cars, and they'll take care of you.

 

[siege]

So then is it possible for me to finance a car then (under my name), but still go through my parents for insurance? Or would I have to live at the same address? I'm unsure about that, but other than that, state farm is sorta cheap for us, my 93 grand prix is $50 a month full coverage.

it all depends on the ins. company. I was on my parents policy for a couple months with my stang and I didn't live at home, but I think they told the company I was still in school (I had dropped out a couple months earlier).

state farm is the cheapest I've found for myself. when I was on my parents policy at AIG it was $175 a month for full, but when I got a quote for my own policy, it went up to $400 a month. state farm is a cool $212 for full coverage.

also, keep in mind that brand new cars are more to insure than old cars...cause they're worth a lot more.

you may want to first think about how you are gonna finance. I don't know what your income is, but to afford $25k worth of car, you need to make a decent amount. I think the formula the banks use (roughly) to see what you can afford is something like this: take your monthly income and subtract your rent, credit card bills, and loan payments. then take that number and divide by 3. that's your payment that you can afford. (for example I make about 1800 a month and that comes out to like $350 after the formula). also keep in mind that banks (at least mine does) will only loan you up to 80% of your annual income.

in other words, unless you have a nice job, you might wanna talk to dad about cosigning

btw, I just remembered, some insurance companies won't insure you on your parents policy unless its got their name on the title or something. I don't know, check around.

 

[Husker 64]

I guarantee your new Ford Mustang will be a better quality, longer lasting car than any of the GM's you listed. I have a 92 Saturn as my beater, and its the biggest pile of **** I've ever owned. It will be my first and last GM I ever own.

 

[BlackOnBlackCobra96]

I'd say pass on the 2005 Mustang. When 2016 comes around and you're actually looking to buy one, it'll likely be pretty rotted out too.

 

[SportscarFan]

No, I said the Fiero was the only mass produced mid-engined sports car ever, at least thats what I meant to say.

What would the owners of the toyota MR2, Fiat x1/9, and Porsche 914 AND Boxster have to say about that?

(those are just the ones I can come up with off the top of my head) - Sorry for the repeat post, just saw that someone else also mentioned the Fiat and 914.

BTW, the MR2 came out in the era of the Fiero, and is still going, where is the unique pontiac? I like the looks of the 88 Fiero GT, looks like an attainable Ferrari 348 Berlinetta. it's too bad it got cancelled.

 

[gerbel01]

let me get this straight, you are concerned about ford quality, when you own a fiero and a grand am SE? buddy, you picked some of the worst-quality GM's out there.

EDIT: sry grand prix, but still not much better.


I havnt had any problums with the ford's ive owned, my current car the SHO is high maintenence, yes, but all of that maintenence is covered in the users manual, and if you follow it you shouldnt ever have anything break down that wouldnt on any other car. In fact, the SHO engine is one of the longest running engines out there with proper maintenence.

 

[Z28x]

Both Ford and GM have come a long way with there cars as far as reliability and quality.

I fact in the last JD Power report on quality Caddy was 2nd only to lexus, and the Malibu and Buick Century beat out the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry. The Chevy Malibu has also beat out the Honda Accord in most reliable midsize car too.


Fords and Chevys are just as good or better than any Gay Import car, Just take care of your car and it will last.

 

[jcp123]

gay?? riiight...go back to your middle school.

but you're right, the quality (if there is such a thing these days) has been steadily getting better on domestics. ford especially has been working hard on the interiors, and it should be pretty good, qualitywise, aside from the typical first-year bugs that plague almost any brand-new design

 

[GM Dude]

Let me reiterate again. Pontiac Fiero is the only mass produced domestic mid engined sports cars. Jeesh. I probably couldn't afford it right away, probably will have to wait a year, see the bugs that they have, and get a v6 stang or v8 for cheap. (There will be) Talked to another friend at work, they've owned 13 Ford's, taken care of them, and they all started crapping out on them. The most recent was a 2002 Explorer, which he paid 38 grand on, fully loaded, and he said it was mostly in the shop before they got rid of it, and only got $13 grand for. They only had 1 car that was good, and it was a 86 sable, go figure. He said he'll never buy another Ford.

 

[Husker 64]

Why would he keep buying Fords 13 straight times if they kept crapping out on him. No one is that stupid. They would have learned at least by 4 or 5. Anyways if your dad won't co-sign you will have to wait until your 19 anyways before you can even get a loan and finance a car

 

[jdock]

ok

So I hear where you're coming from, GM dude.

A lot of people have fealty to either Ford or GM based mostly on family tradition, especially where I'm from (Raleigh NC) and where I live now (Austin, TX.) My dad was a Ford guy, but through GM dabblings I got to see "the other side" as well. I'm a Ford guy too, but there are some select old GM cars (especially '70 and earlier BOP... mmm, '67 GTO) that I'd drive if the price was right.

In any case, here's what I'd recommend. Save your pennies and get either an '88-'93 5.0l LX hatch (the GTs had kind of ugly body treatments IMHO, but they're also reasonably priced) or even an early SN95 ('94-95). Those cars are VERY reasonably priced, and the Fox 3s in particular are about as tough as a bag of hammers.

I'd go with the post '87 Fox 3 ('88-93) personally; cheaper, far more useful with the hatchback, lighter and more powerful (the '94 and '95 had "shift retard" built into the EEC, which saved the trannies but cost you power) and actually better build quality than the later SN95 cars. Not just my opinion, but that of friends of mine who were Ford engineers at the time too.

Lastly... being saddled with a big car payment is a nightmare. If you can avoid it at ALL I can't recommend it more. I've never had a car payment ever 'till now (after owning used cars of every kind imaginable, and buying them outright) and it feels like prison having a car payment around my neck. Be smart, be free, save your dough, buy it outright. You'll thank me, and yes... those cars I mentioned above are within your reach with some savings, and maybe a parental loan.

Then you can burn up your credit cards buying go-fast goodies... do they make any bolt-ons for those Fox 3 5.0l cars? Just kidding. And don't melt your plastic by being a credit card cowboy... but that is another lecture for another day.

Good luck, friend. One of the reasons I like the Blue Oval camp is that (generally speaking) its pretty friendly. I've expanded my automotive knowledge by an order of magnitude thanks to the friendly Ford folks I've met over the years... real car guys, not blind Ford bigots but guys who also have Pontiacs, Porsches, and Packards too. They like Fords 'cause they KNOW what else is out there.

- J. Dock, some old guy who used to like race, or something.

-'65 Shelby Clone
-'95 Mustang GT

 

[TrophyHead]

Quality- Maybe a Tempo you'll have promblems.

Mustangs and F-seires trucks are great products from Ford.

I dont think you'll have any promblems with a 05 Stang.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

The Tiempo example is like the Mercedes example which I am about to give here. Tiempo's are just like the low priced Mercedes cars. The lower priced Mercedes are junk. The higher priced ones are better quality. Same thing goes for Ford vehicles. The Tiempo is lower priced and is just a regular no frills car with low build quality. Hahahaha. Tiempo's suck.

 

[GaPonyFarm]

... I just bought the Ford Premium Care 7 Year/100,000 Mile Extended Warranty for my 2001 Mustang GT. The extended warranty is the answer to your dilemma. If anything breaks, Ford will fix it and you will not have to worry about anything. Buy the extended warranty. You might or might not need it. It will alleviate all the anxiety and negative thoughts that you currently have about the Ford Mustang.

Don't you realize the extended warranty programs are commie money making schemes to squeeze money from paranoid, conspiracy minded, conservative, republican types, for the purpose of bankrolling their liberal agendas?

There are more exclusions, loopholes, and disclaimers in those policies than rednecks at an NRA convention..... I'm surprised you fell for it!

 

[kirkyg]

Why would he keep buying Fords 13 straight times if they kept crapping out on him. No one is that stupid. They would have learned at least by 4 or 5. Anyways if your dad won't co-sign you will have to wait until your 19 anyways before you can even get a loan and finance a car

Because they didn't really...and because he is just a GM dude...on here spouting off not knowing what he really wants. Just knowing that his gm's have given him tons of problems and wants to find someone to take it out on.

kirkyg

 

[kirkyg]

Don't you realize the extended warranty programs are commie money making schemes to squeeze money from paranoid, conspiracy minded, conservative, republican types, for the purpose of bankrolling their liberal agendas?

There are more exclusions, loopholes, and disclaimers in those policies than rednecks at an NRA convention..... I'm surprised you fell for it!

I agree with you about extended warranties but i take offense to your comment about republicans

kirkyg