Dealer tells me I have to use Techron?

[MSP]

What's the deal with Sunday? Ain't heard nothin down here. ------------As for the "white bucket" ----- two racks I pick up at also load jet fuel. Using the "white bucket", that's a for us. Unless you want to get locked out for a few days One guy I heard of using the bucket, did it simply to yank the terminal manager's chain The TM wasn't didn't think it was funny.

On Sunday, the threat involves a Tanker which is to be stolen and blown up, in a highly populated area... So be carefull... Today is the 9th of September, which makes Sunday the what? Just make sure when you unload, or leave the rack, there are no cars or people observing you... Also, when you unload, do a full 360 around your unit before you hop back in headed for the rack!

 

[05 BLK-BLK]

At the dealership I go to, they are all 9+ hotties with low cut shirts and drop dead bodies. Most of the poor men in there have this glazed over look as they explain their issues...Jenn

Ummm, where exactly is this dealer located?

That explains why they're trying to push the extended warranty off on me. I'm thinking of picking it up just to cover my butt. Seems to be a ton of issues with the S197 and TSB's seem to be coming out on a regular basis.

 

[D.Hearne]

On Sunday, the threat involves a Tanker which is to be stolen and blown up, in a highly populated area... So be carefull... Today is the 9th of September, which makes Sunday the what? Just make sure when you unload, or leave the rack, there are no cars or people observing you... Also, when you unload, do a full 360 around your unit before you hop back in headed for the rack!

Thanks for the heads up, I've heard and read that scenario before, I'm usually too busy to notice everything though, and try not to let stuff like that bother me. Heard of one driver that some guys tried to highjack the other day. They made the mistake of trying it at 70 mph and ended up eating bark in the woods

 

[blackened]

Jenn, will you marry me?

 

[Jenns01TA]

To clarify my "mechanical float" comment - our 05s use a fuel gauge with microprocessor in lieu of bimetallic strip design for float read actuation.

In the good old days, the bimetallic strip design would expand and contract when it was heated or cooled. Each type of metal having its own particular rate of expansion would bend or curve. This bending action is what would move the fuel gauge needle. When the float is near the top of the tank, the wiper on the variable resistor rests close to the grounded (negative) side, which means that the resistance is small and a relatively large amount of current passes through the sending unit back to the fuel gauge. As the level in the tank drops, the float sinks, the wiper moves, the resistance increases and the amount of current sent back to the gauge decreases. Simple, yet functional.

But, our Stang (confirmed by Affixer’s technical write up ) uses a microprocessor that reads the variable resistor in the tank and communicates that reading to another microprocessor in the dashboard. Ford can tinker with the gauge movement a little, they can compensate for the shape of the tank by comparing the float position to a calibration curve. This curve correlates the position of the float with the volume of fuel left in the tank. The problem here is electrical and liquid do not like each other. LOL. A single corroded connector can cause problems. In the end, it is much more difficult to debug and diagnose an electrical issue than it is a mechanical issue. And if you look at the ASE labor rate for an electrical diagnosis it is a tad bit more than for a mechanical one.

Jennifer

blackend - I just saw that.... Hahahhaahaha... Pfffftttttt.... I require large dowries, land and a Cobra.

 

[MSP]

Thanks for the heads up, I've heard and read that scenario before, I'm usually too busy to notice everything though, and try not to let stuff like that bother me. Heard of one driver that some guys tried to highjack the other day. They made the mistake of trying it at 70 mph and ended up eating bark in the woods

We had a guy awhile back who started his shift at 4AM in Los Angeles, then went to load at the rack.. Then as he left the rack, got into it with someone over a lane change.. The guy in the car followed him and started shooting at him in the drivers door.. Well, the doors in our trucks have really thick doors, and the 9mm rounds never penetrated the skin.. So he exited the freeway, and went to a pay phone to call dispatch.. The guy snuck up behind him and shot him in the head, while he was on hold with dispatch, and killed him..

So I said that to say this, if you do run into any problems out there, stay in your truck and lock the doors...

If for whatever reason, you have a problem with someone shooting at you on the freeway, change lanes over to the fast lane, so your drivers door is on the inside gaurd-railing.. Keep the wheels moving and call 911.. Most trucks ordered and slated for gasoline work, have the doors built thicker for this type of scenario.. As you know, our tankers are aluminum, and bullits which hit them, will not cause a spark or explode the tanker, no matter what the load is... So keep the wheels moving if you think you may be in trouble... Never stop and get out to discuss anything, just call 911 and give them your 10-20, or current location, or 10-19, your estimated next exit up ahead..

 

[D.Hearne]

We had a guy awhile back who started his shift at 4AM in Los Angeles, then went to load at the rack.. Then as he left the rack, got into it with someone over a lane change.. The guy in the car followed him and started shooting at him in the drivers door.. Well, the doors in our trucks have really thick doors, and the 9mm rounds never penetrated the skin.. So he exited the freeway, and went to a pay phone to call dispatch.. The guy snuck up behind him and shot him in the head, while he was on hold with dispatch, and killed him..

So I said that to say this, if you do run into any problems out there, stay in your truck and lock the doors...

If for whatever reason, you have a problem with someone shooting at you on the freeway, change lanes over to the fast lane, so your drivers door is on the inside gaurd-railing.. Keep the wheels moving and call 911.. Most trucks ordered and slated for gasoline work, have the doors built thicker for this type of scenario.. As you know, our tankers are aluminum, and bullits which hit them, will not cause a spark or explode the tanker, no matter what the load is... So keep the wheels moving if you think you may be in trouble... Never stop and get out to discuss anything, just call 911 and give them your 10-20, or current location, or 10-19, your estimated next exit up ahead..

Sorry to hear about your driver. He should have used the weapon he had in his hands though----- the steering wheel,------ instead of relying on the cops. I was running pretty much all alone for several nights after the storm hit down here and in the area of the damage, cell phones were usless. I've always left my own safety up to myself and will continue to do so, as I've always known this simple fact--- there's never a cop around when you need one. As for my safety while dropping gas or fuel, first thing I do when starting this is to drain a gallon or two into my drip bucket to keep on hand for someone who may give me trouble. If they want fuel, I'll give it to them, just not in the way they imagine

 

[shooterm1]

OK, lets clear a few things up; I haul gas for a living. To SOME extent, depending on WHERE you live, all grades of gas ARE made at one refinery. But here in south Louisiana, I haul gas from eight different racks ( there's a difference here, between racks and refineries) SOME racks, get their product from several different refineries and by a long shot, not ALL regular and premium gas is the same. Chevron's premium is by far, THE best gas money can buy. I know just from hands on experience handling and using the stuff. Regular gas also varies greatly in quality, I can tell this from the various colors of the stuff, depending on where I pick it up from. Here in south louisiana, I haul from ten different refineries, and their gas is not all the same. I also haul from one RACK which is located at the junction of two piplines,which originate in the Houston Tx. area, so there's no telling how many refineries supply this one rack and certainly not all the regular gas there is the same. One of these pipelines runs all the way up to New Jersey and supplies numerous racks along it's length. So these racks are also supplied by more than one refinery. As for those who think Chevron's advertising is BS, I have a lawn mower that certainly knows better. After running several tanks of the "cheap" stuff in it, it starts to run like crap. At that time I pour in a tank of Chevron premium and after mowing my two acre yard, it's back to normal again. Techron DOES work, I've had this happen numerous times to know what I'm talking about. Texaco and Shell also use Techron in their premium. And it's also present in their midgrade gas too. Midgrade is the oil companies money maker. Generally the price at the pump is a ten cents difference between regular(87 octane) & midgrade and also between mid to premium ( 93 octane). But midgrade (89 octane) is made by mixing 35% premium to 65% regular. The ten cent price spread reflects a 50/50 mix though, if you mixed it in your tank by pumping half and half ( reg. & prem.) you'd get 90 octane gas.

Maybe you can clear-up an something that I've been wondering for awhile ...

the Oxtane ratings on the pump are Legal Minimums, right?

Do the refiners maintain that minimum, or do they go below it from time to time?

Also, is there ever any High Grade or Premium gas that finds its way into the Regular tank at these Name Brand Stations?

TIA

PS, thanks for the great work that you guys are doing.

 

[MSP]

Sorry to hear about your driver. He should have used the weapon he had in his hands though----- the steering wheel,------ instead of relying on the cops. I was running pretty much all alone for several nights after the storm hit down here and in the area of the damage, cell phones were usless. I've always left my own safety up to myself and will continue to do so, as I've always known this simple fact--- there's never a cop around when you need one. As for my safety while dropping gas or fuel, first thing I do when starting this is to drain a gallon or two into my drip bucket to keep on hand for someone who may give me trouble. If they want fuel, I'll give it to them, just not in the way they imagine

LOL!! Nice one!! Then all it takes is a flicked match to light them up, while you watch! LOL!! Your evil D.Hearne.. Good idea though.. Never thought about that..

I guess you can just drop the gallon into the fills once you have unloaded the tankers.. LOL!

 

[MSP]

Hey D.Hearne, you know my Terminal Manager is the owner of a NHRA Prostock Team? I was talking to him yesterday, and he is racing this weekend... He just built a $70,000 466 Chevy Big Block engine, for the shootout..

He was also talking about a new Synthetic MotorOil they are using which by itself gives 20RWHP.. My particular company is the main Race Fuel Hauler for Nascar, and NHRA!!

 

[MSP]

Maybe you can clear-up an something that I've been wondering for awhile ...

the Oxtane ratings on the pump are Legal Minimums, right?

Do the refiners maintain that minimum, or do they go below it from time to time?

Also, is there ever any High Grade or Premium gas that finds its way into the Regular tank at these Name Brand Stations?

TIA

PS, thanks for the great work that you guys are doing.

Only in this type of situation... If for what-ever reason a Contamination happens.. If for any reason the fills are not properly mark, and Premium goes into the Regular tank, then the owner of the station has the choice to keep it, and sell it off.. But if Regular were to go into the Premium tank, then the owner of the Station is mandated by law to Pump-out the tank.. So a Station owner can sell regular with a higher Octane level, but never knowingly sell Premium which has be contaminated with a lower grade of fuel..

A pump over is a situation where if the Premium has been contaminated with a lower grade, then we can pump-out the tank, and put it into Mid-Grade, if the station owner choses to do that..

Most of the time though, we would just haul off the contamed product as tran-mix.. It is taken back to the refinery, and is broken back down, to start the refining process over..

So basically, it is against the law for a Gas station to sell you Regular gas marked as Premium..

The loading process of Gasoline at the rack safe-gaurds against such things.. However, its really guys like D.Hearne and myself which make sure you get what you pay for.. There are huge fines and penalties for station owners who knowingly do this..

 

[GATORBAIT9696]

Well I might have missed it some where in thread but Ford recommeneds BP for the 2006 Mustang. It is in the book. But I must escaped the Gas cap markings because mine has no markings what so ever.

 

[Powerforce]

I have never heard of that. I will do some asking at Ford.

 

[sentient]

I've seen 87 and 89 octane priced about the same up here. Sometimes they separate in price by 5-10 cents. They keep adding 10 percent ethanol to the midgrade so I try to avoid that, also. It may help the environment, but takes away some MPG.

There is a BP station in my town. I tend to use a Cenex station for my gas, as it's a closer drive. Any idea how CHS is rated compared to Chevron and others?

 

[D.Hearne]

Maybe you can clear-up an something that I've been wondering for awhile ...

the Oxtane ratings on the pump are Legal Minimums, right?

Do the refiners maintain that minimum, or do they go below it from time to time?

Also, is there ever any High Grade or Premium gas that finds its way into the Regular tank at these Name Brand Stations?

TIA

PS, thanks for the great work that you guys are doing.

As for the octane ratings being within spec, you'd have to talk to someone who checks that at the refinery, I personally have no way of knowing that. We pull in the rack, load and go. There simply isn't time to have a lab analysis done to each and every load. The additives are injected into the line as the truck is loaded, Chevron is extremely picky about the additive injectors working properly, they're the only rack I've hauled from that monitors this. I've had two loads that weren't in spec and I had to bring along a bottle of Techron to pour down the hole before I unloaded it. As for whether some premium finds it's way into a regular tank at a station, that's been happening pretty frequently lately. I picked up a load of regular at a Connoco rack three weeks back that looked and smelled like premium, I'm about 95% sure it was. And last week I was told that Exxon was sellling Placid ( these two are located opposite each other on the Mississppi river in Baton Rouge) premium to blend with regular to keep Placid from running out of product. Nobody's buying much premium lately so the refiners are dumping the inventory to keep things going. Most premium gas has a "sweet" smell to it and a bright yellow color, or at least Chevron's does anyway. That Connoco load did as well. When it comes to lower octane gas finding it's way into a premium tank, that happens occasionally as well. The last company I hauled for, if we had too much regular and it wouldn't fit, if it was less than 100 gallons, we'd dump it into the midgrade tank. Unless you have a vehicle that would run on absolutely nothing but premium ( such as my V8 Ranger) you'd never know the difference. Most EFI systems just pull back the timing a tad to compensate for the slight decrease in octane, and that's something that can't be felt, only seen on a dyno.

 

[D.Hearne]

Only in this type of situation... If for what-ever reason a Contamination happens.. If for any reason the fills are not properly mark, and Premium goes into the Regular tank, then the owner of the station has the choice to keep it, and sell it off.. But if Regular were to go into the Premium tank, then the owner of the Station is mandated by law to Pump-out the tank.. So a Station owner can sell regular with a higher Octane level, but never knowingly sell Premium which has be contaminated with a lower grade of fuel..

A pump over is a situation where if the Premium has been contaminated with a lower grade, then we can pump-out the tank, and put it into Mid-Grade, if the station owner choses to do that..

Most of the time though, we would just haul off the contamed product as tran-mix.. It is taken back to the refinery, and is broken back down, to start the refining process over..

So basically, it is against the law for a Gas station to sell you Regular gas marked as Premium..

The loading process of Gasoline at the rack safe-gaurds against such things.. However, its really guys like D.Hearne and myself which make sure you get what you pay for.. There are huge fines and penalties for station owners who knowingly do this..

None of these scenarios are illegal, unless they get caught. The only times I've worried about lesser grades getting into the wrong tank was with a large amount ( that was only once) I've been more vigilant when it comes to gas getting dropped into a diesel tank, too much of that can ruin your day.

 

[MSP]

None of these scenarios are illegal, unless they get caught. The only times I've worried about lesser grades getting into the wrong tank was with a large amount ( that was only once) I've been more vigilant when it comes to gas getting dropped into a diesel tank, too much of that can ruin your day.

LOL!! Yep.. Last week a driver dumped some 87 into 91.. The whole 7000 gallons! LOL! Needless to say, it had to be pumped out.. A station just cant take the risk of getting caught.. Can you believe it was a Chevron driver who did this? LOL!! I know that guy is still hating life.. He is supposed to be the best of the best! LOL!

 

[D.Hearne]

LOL!! Yep.. Last week a driver dumped some 87 into 91.. The whole 7000 gallons! LOL! Needless to say, it had to be pumped out.. A station just cant take the risk of getting caught.. Can you believe it was a Chevron driver who did this? LOL!! I know that guy is still hating life.. He is supposed to be the best of the best! LOL!

It would have been easier and cheaper to just have lowered the price at the pump and clearly marked the pump as being regular. The best also make mistakes Lord knows, I've made a few in the last week from being over worked and dead on my feet. :damnit:

 

[MSP]

It would have been easier and cheaper to just have lowered the price at the pump and clearly marked the pump as being regular. The best also make mistakes Lord knows, I've made a few in the last week from being over worked and dead on my feet. :damnit:

What kind of truck you drivin 379? There is a guy I see at the Kinder Morgan racks who just got a brand new 379 Pete 2006! All leather, full gauge package with an 18 spd... Really nice truck.. He doesnt mind running up towards his 80hr. mark.. For now. It'll wear off though. LOL!

 

[D.Hearne]

We've got a 2005 Pete. Not sure whether it's a 359 or 379 though. It's got a 475 Cat under the hood with a 10 speed. Pullingest motor I've driven yet in my almost 30 yrs driving. We've been allowed to "load the wagon" here with diesel fuel cause of the storm and this thing accelerates all the way up the about 7% grade up the Mississippi river bridge in Baton Rouge with 87,000 lbs.(8,895 gallons)