Well it's neither here or there if it's available today or tomarrow. It's just great that someone is making one. I don't see how a maniflod would really help a stock engine as such. However I could see a benifit with cams and heads. I'm interested to see what kind of numbers they get with the patroit heads. After that it would be intersting to see what heppens if you add the hot rod or comp cams to the mix. I still can't help believing that were going to be seeing 400 hp all motor real soon. I know that I've been predicting that for a year now, but we are getting closer all the time. When I first joined the forum, cams were a waste of money and time on our engines, now since we've had the release of the hot rod cams and now comp cams with phase limiters. On the other forum, a guy installed the hot rod cams and got over a 30 hp bump. They've been saying 40 hp is the average and thats not bad for a pair of bump sticks. I don't know about the comp cams other than JDM Engineering making 401 rwhp with a pair in an 298 3v stroker and still passed emissions. They didn't go into a lot of detail on what else was done to the motor so we would know how much of it is cams and how much is motor. At anyrate it seems to be an exciting time for the 3 valve, at least I think so.