88 CA-Stang Miserable Smog W/Pics!

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Chasis: 88 California Mustang w/MAF
Engine: 302 .040+ Stock Comp Pistons Roller Rocker Conv
ALL SMOG EQUIPMENT Attached. Stock Exhaust W/ 4 Ford Cats

I am failing smog miserably - -

I failed smog the first time with high CO and HC on both speeds.
Took her home after reading on here about Vac lines, smog equip, & seeing the post that seems to deal with all things emissions(egr/rough idle/rich/lean/IAVC) I realized one of the vacuum lines running to the tree under the upper intake was rotted away. Everything ran correctly, and voltages check out, and i have searched this forum and seen only info on smog delete or "what if..." scenarios. So this engine is for the better part stock and just is failing like a mother(see first pic for numbers)

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Fixed that, ran the OBD tester came back flying colors (all green dots and an 11 code on both KOEO/KOER) No codes and I do have a functional CEL light because it's an Original CA edition.

The salt and peppers have been cleaned and all the pins were/are straight.

I took it back and failed even worse! Almost 800% increase of NO and about another 100points on the HC(PPM) over it's original. So now i'm failing all categories and the references in the almighty smog post says bad cats, bad smog eqp. etc)
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Driving me nuts!!!

Emotionally and Financially exhausted(pun intended) with this car.

The engine being rebuilt about 1 year ago has about 8k new miles on her.....when i first took it in it passed - -barely.

I keep everything clean and i have gapped my plugs to spec, timing is at 10 with the harness equipped(the thing that advances/retards timing under load) Also the EGR has been replaced, fuel pressure is right on(stock injectors) I am stumped and i don't want to take to a specialist because i have a feeling they'll charge me out the ass just to tell me what the gen. consensus is on this page...bad cats, bad smog parts.

Anybody offer some help why everything F****n skyrocketed into failure.
 

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Was she warmed up real well for the second test. A cool car will sometimes report high. What you changed should not have had a negative effect, There is a possibility that you created another problem by fixing the first. Could you have pulled off or caused a crack in another vaccume line or have one or more loose plug wires. Did you recheck everything again. Some people recommend changing the oil before the test and adding a can of guranteed to pass stuff to the tank.
Did you take it to the same place?
 
Yeah she was up to op temp for the second test. I think you maybe right with, "fixing one, creates another" idea. I checked the map pressure was good, cleaned the MAF, checked for pinches(nada) It's actually at a test and repair place off the smogcheck.ca.gov website near my zip. 60$ for the full diagnosis(at least the stuff i can't do at home) and then they are due to call me soon for the "suggestions" then i take it back and try and fix what they found.

I'll post again when i get the results/ hopeful fix.

Begin the process of elimination....:(
 
So after taking the car to a smog test and repair...the guys didn't charge me because, "Couldn't find/diagnose properly...but you have weak cats"

Then they proceeded to tell me that they have a specialist who, mind you for 120$ can come in and properly diagnose.

Anybody out there have any advice on CA Smog Legal cats? I'm about to scour this forum for others posts about CA Legal cats but just in case some sees this and knows what works.

Thanks in advance.
 
So no codes, so that means everything is probably working properly. You are failing everywhere, not by a whole lot, nothing is off the charts, just a little too high for the left coast to allow you on their federally funded and deficite spent highways. Due to the fact that nothing is off the charts, and there are no codes and everything is there, and because a shop said this already, I am willing to put my name on it to say YOU HAVE WEAK CATS. I work in a shop that repairs fail emmisions cars.

2 reasons. For one, they are probably old. For another, cats from our generation cars were no where near as efficient as new cats.

If you were to install new cats on your car (even just the back two) you would get higher flow, and you won't have to worry too much for a while.
 
@90Gt: Thanks for confirming my thoughts. WEAK CATS! ARRG! :notnice:
So now it's off to americanmuscle.com or LRS to find replacements.

I'm also doing some research and burning through the normal channels here and other forums to find CA Legal (with all of it's frivolity) cat systems.

So rather than ask the question bluntly - - I'm hitting the boards to find a pair that are CA Legal, don't cost an arm and a leg, and if possible help bring my car back down to normal numbers.

Thanks.

I'll be posting results and prices once i get it all settled here in the next week.
 
Had same problem, in cali its all about Cats, cats , cats, I passed but barely and probably putting magnaflow x on to replace decade old bassani....found part # from oreily then cross checked to summit and will be ordering come tax time, good luck
 
agreed. I replaced my cats with two new ones on a old O/R pipe I had... ran cleaner than the wifes lexus that year. Now I have a nice original one that I hope passes, because my custom one had major clearance issues. But thats what it usually is... Cats. Make sure that you drive the car nice and hard before your checked out, warm cats clean much better than cold ones. My smog guy told me that. I've never failed since.
 
How to pass emissions testing:

High NO - high combustion temps - retard timing, check EGR for operation.
High CO – Rich condition - fuel pressure too high, check O2 sensors, replace air filter, Clean MAF element.
High HC – Lean misfire, vacuum leak, common misfire due to worn or weak ignition system components. On rare occasions, an overly rich mixture may be the cause. Do the ethanol/E85 fill up as suggested.
High CO & HC - Cat converters, smog pump, and smog pump controls. Make sure the smog pump has good air output at 1500-2000 RPM

How to pass emissions testing:

1.) Make sure all the emissions gear the car was made with is present and connected up properly. That includes a working smog pump and cats. The smog tech will do a visual check to make sure that all the original equipment is present and connected up.

2.) Make sure that you have fresh tune up with spark plugs, plug wires, cap, rotor, fuel & air filters. An oil & filter change is a good idea while you are at it.

3.) Dumping The computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 21-Jun-2011. Removed the link to BATAuto.com and troublecodes.net instructions on codes and how to dump them. Post the codes you get and I will post 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.


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If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/p-7208-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx– It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, clutch depressed to the floor and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.
Cylinder balance test
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures.
Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure



4.) Post the codes and get help to fix them. Don’t try to pass with codes not fixed. Clearing the computer just temporarily removes them from memory, it doesn’t fix the problem that caused the code to be set.

5.) Be sure to do the testing on a hot engine. Drive for 15-20 minutes prior to taking the test to get operating temps up into the normal range. Do not shut off the engine while waiting for your turn on the test machine. An engine up to full operating temperature puts out fewer emissions.

Thermactor Air System
Some review of how it works...

Revised 28-Oct-2009 to correct code definitions and operation.

The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) supplies air to the heads or catalytic converters. This air helps break down the excess HC (hydrocarbons) and CO (carbon monoxide). The air supplied to the catalytic converters helps create the catalytic reaction that changes the HC & CO into CO2 and water vapor. Catalytic converters on 5.0 Mustangs are designed to use the extra air provided by the smog pump. Without the extra air, the catalytic converters will clog and fail.

The Thermactor air pump draws air from an inlet filter in the front of the pump. The smog pump puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve, TAB (Thermactor Air Bypass) or AM1 valve) either dumps air to the atmosphere or passes it on to the second valve. The second valve, TAD (Thermactor Air Diverter valve or AM2 valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. Check valves located after the TAB & TAD solenoids prevent hot exhaust gases from damaging the control valves or pump in case of a backfire. The air serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process. The computer tells the Thermactor Air System to open the Bypass valve at WOT (wide open throttle) minimizing engine drag. This dumps the pump's output to the atmosphere, and reduces the parasitic drag caused by the smog pump to about 2-4 HP at WOT. The Bypass valve also opens during deceleration to reduce or prevent backfires.

Code 44 RH side air not functioning.
Code 94 LH side air not functioning.

The computer uses the change in the O2 sensor readings to detect operation of the Thermactor control valves. When the dump valve opens, it reduces the O2 readings in the exhaust system. Then it closes the dump valve and the O2 readings increase. By toggling the dump valve (TAB), the computer tests for the 44/94 codes.

Failure mode is usually due to a clogged air crossover tube, where one or both sides of the tube clog with carbon. The air crossover tube mounts on the back of the cylinder heads and supplies air to each of the Thermactor air passages cast into the cylinder heads. When the heads do not get the proper air delivery, they set codes 44 & 94, depending on which passage is clogged. It is possible to get both 44 & 94, which would suggest that the air pump or control valves are not working correctly, or the crossover tube is full of carbon or missing.


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Computer operation & control for the Thermactor Air System
Automobile computers use current sink technology. They do not source power to any relay, solenoid or actuator like the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors. Instead the computer provides a ground path for the positive battery voltage to get back to the battery negative terminal. That flow of power from positive to negative is what provides the energy to make the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors work. No ground provided by the computer, then the actuators and relays don't operate.

One side of the any relay/actuator/solenoid in the engine compartment will be connected to a red wire that has 12-14 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side will have 12-14 volts when the relay/actuator/solenoid isn't turned on. Once the computer turns on the clamp side, the voltage on the computer side of the wire will drop down to 1 volt or less.

In order to test the TAD/TAB solenoids, you need to ground the white/red wire on the TAB solenoid or the light green/black wire on the TAD solenoid.

For 94-95 cars: the colors are different. The White/Red wire (TAB control) is White/Orange (Pin 31 on the PCM). The Green/Black wire (TAD control) should be Brown (pin 34 at the PCM). Thanks to HISSIN50 for this tip.

To test the computer, you can use a test light across the TAB or TAD wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker.

Theory of operation:
Catalytic converters consist of two different types of catalysts: Reduction and Oxidation.
The Reduction catalyst is the first converter in a 5.0 Mustang, and the Oxidation converter is the second converter. The Oxidation converter uses the extra air from the smog pump to burn the excess HC. Aftermarket converters that use the smog pump often combine both types of catalysts in one housing. Since all catalytic reactions depend on heat to happen, catalytic converters do not work as efficiently with long tube headers. The extra length of the long tubes reduces the heat available to operate the O2 sensors and the catalytic converters. That will cause emissions problems, and reduce the chances of passing an actual smog test.


Now for the Chemistry...
"The reduction catalyst is the first stage of the catalytic converter. It uses platinum and rhodium to help reduce the NOx emissions. When an NO or NO2 molecule contacts the catalyst, the catalyst rips the nitrogen atom out of the molecule and holds on to it, freeing the oxygen in the form of O2. The nitrogen atoms bond with other nitrogen atoms that are also stuck to the catalyst, forming N2. For example:

2NO => N2 + O2 or 2NO2 => N2 + 2O2

The oxidation catalyst is the second stage of the catalytic converter. It reduces the unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide by burning (oxidizing) them over a platinum and palladium catalyst. This catalyst aids the reaction of the CO and hydrocarbons with the remaining oxygen in the exhaust gas. For example:

2CO + O2 => 2CO2

There are two main types of structures used in catalytic converters -- honeycomb and ceramic beads. Most cars today use a honeycomb structure." Quote courtesy of How Stuff Works (HowStuffWorks "Catalysts")

What happens when there is no extra air from the smog pump...
As engines age, the quality of tune decreases and wear causes them to burn oil. We have all seem cars that go down the road puffing blue or black smoke from the tailpipe. Oil consumption and poor tune increase the amount of HC the oxidation catalyst has to deal with. The excess HC that the converters cannot oxidize due to lack of extra air becomes a crusty coating inside the honeycomb structure. This effectively reduces the size of the honeycomb passageways and builds up thicker over time and mileage. Continuous usage under such conditions will cause the converter to fail and clog. The extra air provided by the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) is essential for the oxidation process. It oxidizes the added HC from oil consumption and poor tune and keeps the HC levels within acceptable limits.

Newer catalytic converters do not use the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) because they are designed to work with an improved computer system that runs leaner and cleaner
They add an extra set of O2 sensors after the catalytic converters to monitor the oxygen and HC levels. Using this additional information, the improved computer system adjusts the air/fuel mixture for cleaner combustion and reduced emissions. If the computer cannot compensate for the added load of emissions due to wear and poor tune, the catalytic converters will eventually fail and clog. The periodic checks (smog inspections) are supposed to help owners keep track of problems and get them repaired.


Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

EGR System theory and testing

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.


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Troubleshooting:
There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)
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The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.

The EVR regulates vacuum to the EGR valve to maintain the correct amount of vacuum. The solenoid coil should measure 20-70 Ohms resistance. The regulator has a vacuum feed on the bottom which draws from the intake manifold. The other vacuum line is regulated vacuum going to the EGR valve. One side of the EVR electrical circuit is +12 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side of the electrical circuit is the ground path and is controlled by the computer. The computer switches the ground on and off to control the regulator solenoid.



EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.

connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve or see the EGR test jig drawing below. Connnect the test jig or to directly to manifold vacuum.

Do not connect the EGR test jig to the EVR (Electronic Vacuum Regulator).


apply 5in vacuum to the valve. Using the test jig, use your finger to vary the vacuum

if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.

if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.

if engine stumbled, connect EGR test jig to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve.
Use your finger to cap the open port on the vacuum tee.
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?
if not the EVR has failed

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To test the computer and wiring to the computer, you can use a test light across the EVR wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker. If the test light remains on the computer or the wiring is suspect.

To check the EVR to computer wiring, disconnect the EVR connector and connect one end of the Ohmmeter to the dark green wire EVR wiring. Remove the passenger side kick panel and use a 10 MM socket to remove the computer connector from the computer. Set the Ohmmeter to high range and connect the other ohmmeter lead to ground. You should see an infinite open circuit indication or a reading greater than 1 Meg Ohm. If you see less than 200 Ohms, the dark green wire has shorted to ground somewhere.

Late Model Restoration may still have the Ford Racing M-12071-N302 kit with the EGR valve & sensor along with the ACT & ECT sensors for $45. See http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=M12071N302 1&comp=LRS for more details
 

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Back in your first post, you said... "timing is at 10 with the harness equipped(the thing that advances/retards timing under load)"

You did remove the spout connector when setting the timing to 10, right? This just sounds a little confusing. Sounds like you set the timing at 10 with the spout connected...
 
@boydster: No i meant the Spout was in at the time of smog. The spout was removed for initial timing at 10deg.

@jrichker: The post you just posted is all over this forum - - this is the post i was referring to as the "almighty everything to do with EGR/IAVC/IDLE"
i actually have this printed out, sitting in my car with just about everything on the list checked off,replaced, or confirmed within tolerances. It was super thorough and detailed so when i was testing everything this was the sheet i went back to for aid. Thanks.
BTW all that was mentioned in that post came back within tolerances posted here and confirmed in Chiltons/Haynes/other forums.

@Chrisboss429: Yeah the magnaflow ones seem to be the best bet in staying both VISUALLY(keeping placement and QTY of Cats) and SNIFFER passable. For anyone who needs a link and a good price here it is:

MagnaFlow 37338 - Catalytic Converter | O'Reilly Auto Parts
$374 - - Hopefully to pass smog and continue dealing with crappy roads and ridiculous smog regulations.

Here is what they posted as an image:
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and Here is what someone posted in REAL Life....*oooo-aaaahhhhh*
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Notice it still has a place for the outlet from the Smog Pump to the exhaust to connect. Mind you that piece is probably the one piece i hated the most during rebuild. It bends, it folds, and truly is the definition of frustrating.

Hope this info helps. I will be posting a video/review of numbers and installation once i get it all done.

Hopefully this thread will help another frustrated CA Resident trying to keep our V8s planted on the streets out here in CA.
 

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I purchased that mid pipe for my car about 9 months ago and paired it with my american thunder 40 series flows and was really disappointed in the sound.. Those cats really quiet the car down. I took it off about 2 months later and put an off road pipe on, but with the loss of back pressure, the car really fell on its face for acceleration. Sounds awesome but now it just sounds fast without really even going anywhere. Keep us posted, looking forward to see how well that new mid pipe cleans up your emissions. If you were close, i'd lend it to you for smog.
 
Before you spend $320+ on a new set of cats, check the smog pump output. Insufficient airflow from the the smog pump will result in low catalytic efficiency and high HC & CO numbers. Check the EGR system vacuum to make sure it works like it is supposed to work. Low EGR efficiency means high NO output. The two tech notes on EGR & Thermactor Air System have enough information to get you pointed in the right direction.
 
About 6 months ago i had the entire smog pump lock up on me and tore through my main Belt. So that smog pump has been replaced as well. I already went and purchased the cats seeing has how the ones on the car have a a date stamped from Ford- - $$$$- - Stamped in 97 so it's due time for these cats to go.

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This was a pretty weird slip in the box. No CARB sticker? I am going to call Magnaflow on Mon and see what the dealio is.
 

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