Build Thread 1990 Lx 5.0 Restomod Build

Discussion in 'Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech' started by boostfrk, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. krazedstang

    krazedstang Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    305
    Showcase:
    3
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    39
    Location:
    Streamwood
    True, but I've been to Best Buy and a few local Pawn Shops and they really don't have quality over priced stuff that the car audio stores around here have, plus I can haggle prices at the car audio stores lol
     
    #81
  2. JordanB21

    JordanB21 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2012
    Messages:
    804
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Killeen, Texas
    If there were a car audio store around here, I would check it out for sure. Maybe I need to go to the 'downtown' of my area to find it though. We get a lot of people who toss 22''s on a crown vic with 16inch subs so there might be a shop in that area.
     
    #82
  3. xracer22

    xracer22 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2007
    Messages:
    101
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    york pa
    alot of it also has to do with the fact that alot of the newer cars have awesome systems anyways. I have a 95 as well as an 02 and they both have the mach 460 systems in them. I'm sure u guys might have heard one but in case havent they sound awesome!!! and everytime i see somebody not using them it makes me cringe. As long as the factory amps are working ur good to go
     
    #83
  4. xracer22

    xracer22 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2007
    Messages:
    101
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    york pa
    Also great thread boost:nice: Its ironic i was just in the local yard today and stripped a black interior out of a 4cyl hatch to use in my t-top gt. A couple of the pieces have a small crack hear and there and need a little freshing up but now im def doing what u did! BTW it's awesome having a friend that works at a salvage yard and calls me everytime they get a mustang in!!! Complete black interior(although the seats are trashed im taking them anyways) for $75!!!:jaw:I just have to pull it all!!
     
    #84
  5. 93project

    93project Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    El Paso, tx
    I did that same type of rear seat delete but I used fiberboard.... I worried wood would warp over time.
     
    #85
  6. JordanB21

    JordanB21 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2012
    Messages:
    804
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Killeen, Texas
    It is really great compared to a fox, I know when I finally get passed exterior and engine im upgrading my speakers or atleast adding some kickers to boot like my 95 stock mach sounds.
     
    #86
  7. David Pepiton

    David Pepiton Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Location:
    Laveen, Arizona
    Man I cant wait to redo my interior so whats your total spent so fare if you don't mind my asking.

    my interior really doesnt need much new seat covers, carpet and door panels thats about it.
     
    #87
  8. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    I think tca and xracer have good points. Newer cars don't have the standard single or double din that cars did 10-15 years ago. Everything's more integrated and it's harder to swap out. Combined with the fact that a lot of factory systems are pretty good these days, and most people are satisfied. I know our Pilot has a decent system with a factory 8" sub in the side panel of the cargo area...it sounds great!

    xracer - I wish I had the junkyard hook up like you do. Seems like I'm always looking for some obscure stock OEM part that's hard to find.

    David - Good question. I keep a detailed spreadsheet of all the parts I buy. Stuff like small nuts and bolts are usually omitted, but I capture the majority of the stuff. It's amazing how quick it all adds up, and kind of depressing at the same time to go back and look and see how much money you actually spent. Below is my list of everything I've purchased for the "interior" portion of my restoration/re-build. I have similar lists for exterior, drivetrain, suspension, enging, etc.

    Leather Shift Boot $34.99
    Armrest delete cover $24.99
    Clips for attaching shift boot surround to console $3.99
    Ashtray Repair Kit $14.99
    Radio Mounting Sleeve, Trim Ring $15.45
    New insrtument panel metal retainer clips (Ford Part #N804741-S2 or N804741-S32B) $0.00
    Brake and Clutch Pedal Covers $16.49
    Masterseries Mastercoat Permanent Rust Sealer $28.57
    Driver's seat repair, new console top, seatbelt trim pieces and new driver's seat track $200.00
    Weatherstripping kit (door to body, hatch, window run channel liner, outer door belt molding, gas filler pipe trunk floor seal $180.48
    Paint and adhesion promoter for interior trim and panels $34.06
    New heater core $30.73
    Door lock actuator mount bracket $5.10
    New door lock actuators + materials for install $33.15
    Armrest pads, door handle bezels, lock knobs, mirror covers, armrest chrome strips, door switch $142.94

    Total = $765.93
     
    #88
  9. ReefBlueHatch

    ReefBlueHatch Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2010
    Messages:
    688
    Showcase:
    2
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    39
    Location:
    Central KY
    Great thread! I really like the hatch carpet, that's something I'd like to do.
     
    #89
  10. citmov

    citmov Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    647
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    19
    Location:
    Chi-town
    Threads like this are great. I love seeing old crap getting turned into new beauty!
     
    #90
  11. David Pepiton

    David Pepiton Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Location:
    Laveen, Arizona
    yeah I'm digging the rear carpet but with wanting red carpet I might need to try and go to an upholstery shop and try and match some up. it might just be cheaper to get the hatch kit but idk
     
    #91
  12. CobraWannabe

    CobraWannabe Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2003
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    17
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA
    Let's say I want to use this technique to change the color of an interior piece because it's easier and cheaper to find quarter panels for a notch that aren't black than one's that are. How do you think the color would hold up? If it gets scratched or scuffed will it hold up?
     
    #92
  13. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    It will work, I'm confident in that. Probably need more coats, but it will cover and look great. That being said, remember that it's still a painted piece. Scratch or gouge it deep enough and that original color my show through. I think you have to exercise a bit more caution around any painted interior plastic piece, regardless if you did a color change or not.

    The console in my car used to be red. I painted over it and you can't ever tell.
     
    #93
  14. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    So I've had a good time making this thread, tracking and reviewing my progress and generating the feedback. I'm going to keep it going and just turn this into a build thread as I've got quite a bit left to do.

    Water Pump Replacment
    When I came out of the gym last Thursday I noticed a large puddle in the front of my car. A quick swipe of the finger and the sniff test and it was antifreeze. Looked under the car, didn't see anything, so I drove it home. The next morning there was a small puddle, so I started the car and crawled underneath to see what was up. I saw the slow drip, drip, drip from the weep hole of the water pump.

    I opted for a stock replacement from Autozone for $33 with a lifetime warranty. Advanced was having a sale on coolant, so even better. I figured while I was at it I might as well replace the thermostat too. I picked up gaskets for the water pump and thermostat as well. $47 total.

    Note that this is how I did my replacement. There may be things you want to do different or things that may be different on your car depending on what accessories/features you have installed. This is a guideline.

    First is to drain the coolant from the radiator via the petcock at the bottom passenger side
    [​IMG]

    Next, remove the serpentine belt and then bracket from the front of the water pump and around the A/C compressor. There were two more bolts holding the A/C compressor on so I didn't have to worry about that, and the P/S pump was able to stay also, just rotated a bit.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    I removed the tensioner as well

    [​IMG]

    Next remove the upper and lower radiator hoses. The upper hose doesn't need to be removed if you're not replacing the thermostat.

    [​IMG]

    I didn't take any pictures of replacing the thermostat. It's pretty straighforward. There are two bolts that take a 1/2" socket. The lower bolt requires a 1/2" open box end wrench or swivel socket because the timing cover/water pump is in the way. After these bolts are removed the water outlet will be able to be removed. When I removed mine I found out there was no thermostat there. Another point for the previous owner.

    Remove the old thermostat, noting which way it goes. Spring goes towards the windshield. If the thermostat has a bleed valve make sure it's at the top when you re-install it. Install the thermostat against the water outlet housing, then install the gasket, then install the entire assembly back onto the block taking care not to move the thermostat. Many use an adhesive gasket, which would be great. I used a couple small dabs of RTV to hole the thermostat in place. Tighten bolts to 12-18 ft-lbs. I did 15 ft-lbs.

    Thermostat done.
     
    #94
  15. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    There were 7 bolts to remove in order to remove the water pump. These have a very low torque rating for installation, so if they don't feel like they're coming out easy don't turn your ratchet harder. You may snap the bolt and be in for more of a treat. These bolts are notorius for breaking, especially the ones that straddle the water jacket.

    The two bolts on the passenger side of the water pump (not studs, but bolts) were the ones that gave me problems. They straddle the water jacket and didn't come out easy. I went a bought a MAPP gas kit from Lowe's ($45, yes ouch) and used it as follows:

    1. Heat block right next to where the bolt fastens into the block. It will be behind the timing cover. I would heat it for 30-45 seconds
    2. Immediately after stopping heat, spray some penetrating lube. I use PB Blaster.
    3. Wait about 30 seconds, then slowly turn the bolt as if you're tightening it.
    4. Switch directions on the ratchet and try to loosen the bolt. Don't force it too much!
    5. Apply heat again, and repeat.

    I worked on 1 bolt at a time. It took me about 6-7 iterations of the above procedure to get the bolts loose. Once I got them out they were corroded and pitted pretty bad. BUT, they didn't break and I was beyond relieved. I decided to replace these bolts. All the bolts/studs are 5/16" - 18, and vary in length. These were 4" in length. I bought new SS bolts.

    [​IMG]

    As you take the bolts out, put them in the back of a cardboard box so you know which bolt goes where with 12 o'clock marked at the top. This will be helpful later.

    [​IMG]

    Next, clean up the surface of the timing cover to remove the old gasket material, corrosion, etc. Use a razor blade scraper or gasket scraper. I used a final wipe down of acetone when I was all done.

    [​IMG]

    I had a decent amount of gunk on the front frame rail. It was as if something had rusted (surface rust only) up by the battery tray and then dripped down. If the bottom of the car would get wet (rain, sprinklers, etc) this crap would drip off and stain the driveway. I took a wire brush, cleaned it with degreaser, then primed it with 2 coats of automotive primer and then did 2 final coats with white paint. Looks 10x better than before, and hopefully will stop it from happening any more.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    #95
  16. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    Time for final assembly.

    Swap over the pulley from the old water pump to the new one. The torque specs on these bolts isn't too tight either. I did 18 ft-lbs. I have an electric fan, so those with the OEM clutch style fan would have a bit of a different arrangement.

    Many people say the threads in the block need to be cleaned out well, and I agree with this. Unfortunately, my timing cover was still on and I didn't have a good way to do this. The worst spots on mine was where the corroded bolts were on the passenger side. I would thread the new bolt in until it was tight by hand, then back it out. Lots of gunk came out. Wipe it off with a rag, use a wire brush to gently clean the threads, then do it again. I did this 3 or 4 times, then for the 5th through 7th or 8th time I would use a wrench to thread the bolt in a few more turns. Finally, I could thread the bolt in and out while minimizing the amount of gunk that came out with it.

    Put a bead of RTV on the side of the gasket which faces the timing cover. Install the gasket against the timing cover making sure to line up the bolt holes. Next, put a bead of RTV on the mating surfaces of the gasket that the water pump will contact. Finally, install the water pump. Have a couple bolts handy to thread in and hold the pump in place.

    I used a little bit of anti-sieze on the threads of the bolts. I read some people saying not to do this on the bolts which surrounded the water jackets but no one ever said why. I used anti-sieze on all of the bolts, just a little bit. Install all bolts finger tight, then get out your torque wrench. The torque specs are 12-18 ft-lbs. I chose 15 ft-lbs, right in the middle. Tighten each bolt in 1/4 turn increments and tighten in a criss cross pattern.

    [​IMG]

    Re-install upper and lower radiator hoses, hose into thermostat housing and hose into heater tube assembly (if applicable). Re-install the bracket the goes over the water pump and around the A/C compressor. Re-install the serpentine belt.

    Once you've ensured everything is buttoned up, put about a gallon or so of antifreeze in the radiator. Start the car and watch the temp gauge. Mine rose a lot faster than before now that I had a thermostat. Eventually it will open up and you'll be able to see anti-freeze flowing from the top of the radiator. Continue to slowly fill with antifreeze until radiator is full. I let the car idle for about 15-20 minutes just to make sure all of the air bubbles were out and the thermostat opened and closed a few times.

    Re-install radiator cap and keep an eye on that temp gauge for a day or so (I'm paranoid).
     
    #96
  17. David Pepiton

    David Pepiton Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Location:
    Laveen, Arizona
    nice write up man very detailed ive been putting this off myself for some time.

    could you please post the lengths of all the bolts that you removed if possible.
     
    #97
  18. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    Noobz posted the following information:

    For some reason I only had 7 bolts to remove for the water pump instead of the 9 listed above. I've done my best to re-create the lengths of the bolts and how I believe they were, but I'm not 100% sure. The important part is to take something that you can stick the bolts in as you take them out (cardboard box, sheet of sytrofoam), then trace the rough outline of the water pump on it, mark 12 o'clock and stick the bolts in where they go. Again, use these lengths as a guide.

    [​IMG]
     
    #98
  19. Noobz347

    Noobz347 Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor
    Admin Dude

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 1985
    Messages:
    20,634
    Showcase:
    59
    Albums:
    8
    Likes Received:
    2,680
    Trophy Points:
    174
    Location:
    Box behind Walmart
    Nice Diagram!

    I can't count the number of times folks have asked the same question that you have but still no diagram. LOL

    Care if I steal that and put it in the hardware thread?
     
    #99
  20. boostfrk

    boostfrk Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    29
    Location:
    Colorado
    Knock yourself out. I thought about creating a how-to for water pump replacement using the above information.

    I didn't see one in the tech/how-to sticky at the top, so if you think that would be helpful I can write one up.
     
    #100

Share This Page