ahhh back in it! feels good.94 cobra

[final5-0]

I understand about ... All motor

Honestly ... I'll just come right on out and ... Say It

I think it is not best to pick a cam that will work with the pcm

I base that statement upon ......
Maximum efficiency before all else
and
That includes money spent ... well ... to a certain degree

When the cam is chosen based upon ... If it works with the pcm

One makes a compromise that will cost power

Pick a cam that will yield the amount of tq/hp you desire
and
One that will operate in the rpm range (power band) you desire

Now ... having said that

You got that little silver box in the passenger kick panel

THAT ... is what you use to deal with drivability issues

Yes ... This method will set you back more $$$
however
IMHO ... This method will give you more ...WAY MORE ... Options

I mean ... If you think long term

Ya most likely will want to tune it to get max power even if you
did pick a cam that will play nice with the pcm

Grady

 

[95Cobra302]

Yeah but most of the cams designed for our year cars have excellent horsepower and torque numbers and great driveability. If he's going to keep the motor pretty stock for now, a custom cam or one not designed for our pcm's isn't going to be much better. Plus he'll need a bunch more money for the twEECer of PMS.

 

[final5-0]

I'm not here to argue or anything like that

I am here to poke and prod my gear head buds
to think differently from the masses

Just trying to stimulate a bit of discussion

Yeah but most of the cams designed for our year cars have excellent horsepower and torque numbers and great driveability.

I've just not seen that in the many dyno curves I've looked at

Most of them have had soft low end tq curves and produce
lower peak power at lower rpm levels

If he's going to keep the motor pretty stock for now, a custom cam or one not designed for our pcm's isn't going to be much better.

As one of those ... Custom Cam kinda guys

I feel the money spent there yields maximum benefits in many different
areas and gives the user so many more options that ... well ... if some
want details ... that needs to be another thread

I was not thinking so much ... Custom Cam

I was thinking OTS cam with more ... meat to it ... TFS 1, and such

Plus he'll need a bunch more money for the twEECer of PMS.

Yes ... I did say it would be more $$$ in the long run

I can't see the thinking of buying a bunch hot rod parts
but
Not tuning to make the best use of them

Another thing that is kinda silly ... if you think about it

If one has a GT40 based combo sitting on an OEM sb

Does it make sense to step up to better h/c/i stuff to obtain
only 15 to 30 more hp

Thinking along those lines
I see a blower should be in the list of things to be considered :Word:

We always need to remember ... it costs nothing to ... Consider

Grady

 

[diponyou50]

nope didnt order the cam yet.
and grady i totally understand what your sayin.
im not looking to make this car a crazy street machine.just a sane street machine.

i was thinking about ordering the cam within the next few days though.
im going to be going home for leave in the beginning of october and plan on taking it to the shop then.

so 95 cobra whats your opinion on cam choice.

 

[final5-0]

nope didnt order the cam yet.
and grady i totally understand what your sayin.
im not looking to make this car a crazy street machine.just a sane street machine.

Well ... I guess we all have different ideas about what a ..........

Sane Street Machine Is

I think I could pull another 50 from mine and that would be
just about it without loosing too much drivability

So I guess that would be my idea of Sane .......
at least for now

Here are a few OEM iron head based combos

You can look at what they were able to achieve with parts
similar to your parts

I would wonder if you see

YOUR IDEA ... of such a combo within the group

Grady

 

[95Cobra302]

Steeda 19 all the way.

 

[diponyou50]

wow thats good stuff grady thanks.

and cobra,whats your name by the way so i can stop calling you cobra haha.
i think im gonna go with trickflow stage 1(flame on)
ive read tons of threads about all the alphabet cams and tfs and this one seems to be solid.
nothing really bad said about it.and it sounds awesome!!
gonna be busy on leave.

 

[95Cobra302]

Heres the numbers I were telling you with Steeda 19, almost same engine as ours.

GT 40 heads
Cobra intake
cold air
exhaust

Before: 251 RWHP @5,200 rpm 288 RWTQ @4,000 rpm

After 270 RWHP @5,500 rpm 300 RWTQ @4,000 rpm

 

[95Cobra302]

My name's Marc, or Sgt Ludwick to you!!! Just kidding, btw what's your MOS??? I remember when I came back on leave from overseas I had boxes of parts to put on my cobra.

 

[final5-0]

I will say Marc has a good point about drivability

I think a more aggressive cam than the Steeda 19 has more potential
but
It will not play as nice with the pcm ... WITHOUT PCM OPTIMIZING

Then again ...........

That is the whole point of what I wanted to bring out here

There is a trade off on both sides

It really boils down to application (doesn't it always)
or
What your long term goals might be

Grady

 

[diponyou50]

ok well i ordered the tfsstage1 and tfs timing chain.

 

[diponyou50]

now im about to order some sfc's
should this be a build thread????????