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I remember seeing Tim Allen with a red one on Jay Leno like 10-12 yrs ago and I was never able to find it until now. On accident of course.

Tim would probably have been very happy with the 450-or-so horsepower the "normal" Saleen Mustang put out. "But somehow, Steve came up with another 100 horsepower. And even I went, 'You know, enough's enough.'"

"Enough" in this case is a 576-bhp, 302-cu.-in. Ford V-8 that's been balanced, blueprinted and fitted with Ford Motorsport/SVO (longer) connecting rods, forged TRW pistons, ported and polished aluminum cylinder heads, Saleen supercharger-grind camshaft, Saleen intake manifold, Ford Motorsport 65-mm throttle body, high-flow fuel injectors, Saleen/Diversified Fuel Injection speed-density engine-management system, high-capacity fuel and oil pumps and Saleen racing oilpan with baffles. But not with the Ford Motorsport/SVO short block one would normally expect to find in a high-horsepower application. "The stock block and crankshaft are plenty strong," says Steve, "because we're only turning the engine a little over 6000 rpm. And while the Type-B Vortech supercharger kicks out 12-14 pounds of boost, the compression ratio is a relatively low 8.8:1."

In anticipation of this quantum leap in performance, Saleen made the requisite modifications to what was originally a 1993 Mustang LX, borrowing liberally from his racing parts bin. For example, much of the stock driveline was, ahem, recycled and replaced by heavy-duty components such as a Centerforce clutch, Tremec 5-speed gearbox, aluminum driveshaft, 3.55:1 ring and pinion, Auburn Traction-Loc differential and heavy-duty axles. Likewise, the stock Mustang suspension was replaced by a host of Saleen/Racecraft componentry including progressive-rate front and rear coil springs, gas-pressurized front struts/rear quad shocks, stiffer front and rear anti-roll bars, aluminum front A-arm bushings, adjustable front camber/caster plates, rear lower control arms, numerous urethane bushings and a Panhard rod. And, lest we forget, a front strut tower brace, G-Load brace, numerous subframe supports and a modified steering rack.

Then there are the brakes: "Steve told me they'd be expensive [$3500 plus labor], but I said, 'If it's safety, I'm willing to pay for it. 'Cause if it goes this fast, it's gotta be able to stop as fast.'"

It should. Stock Mustang LX 10.8-in. front and 10.1-in. rear discs have been replaced with Saleen/Racecraft rotors that measure a humongous 13.0 in. up in front and 12.2 in. at the rear. Four-piston calipers are fitted all around, as are 5-lug wheel hubs that support Speedline alloys (8.0-in. front/9.0-in. rear) shod with 255/40ZR-17 Goodrich Comp T/A tires. Unusual as they may be, those fancy (and pricey) Speedlines are capped with body-color, aero-style wheel covers.

"Those were my idea," says Tim, who claims he got his inspiration from Al Unser Jr.'s Indy car. "When I told Steve, he said, 'That's interesting. I use those on my racing cars.' Whatever. They're so simple they make the car look totally different," says Allen.

For that matter, so does the bodywork, which includes a carbon-fiber front facia fitted with Ford Thunderbird headlights. This really was Tim's idea, and although it's a good one, it gave the folks at Saleen more than a little grief.

Because the redesign called for a lower hoodline, the supercharger, alternator and air-conditioning compressor had to be relocated. Likewise, the front fenders had to be reshaped before the bodywork could be reproduced in carbon fiber. Saleen topped off the aero package with urethane front air dam, side skirts, rear valance and a Centrex (plastic) rear wing. And it was Tim who insisted that his car be fitted with a proper rollcage, albeit an unobtrusive one that doesn't detract from the appearance of the Mustang's mostly black interior. Peek inside the cabin and you'd swear it's nearly stock, proving that the Saleen people did a superb job -- on the rollbar and the rest of the interior.

Because a picture is worth a thousand words, we'll let the photos do the "talking" in describing most of the interior. But just so you know, the seats are by Recaro, the stereo sound system's by Pioneer and those zoomy pedals are by Lonza. 'Nuff said?

So, other than "awesome," what do we call this 180-mph, $50,000 hyper-customized Mustang? Tim Allen would call it "a real bad-boy of a motorcar," punctuating his description with his familiar apelike grunts that sound like "aargh, aargh, aargh" and look like R-R-R when spelled out -- in script on the windshield band.

On the track, what the Saleen R-R-R sounds like is "Rowrr, screeech! Rowrr, screeech! Rowrr, screeech!" With a few wows and expletives thrown in by yours truly, Road Test Editor Kim Reynolds and Saleen himself. Low gear begets mountains of wheelspin, 2nd gets you sideways, and even 3rd will spin those T/As. "The problem," says a shaken Mr. Reynolds, "is that thing there [the gas pedal]."

Yow-za!

With Saleen himself behind the wheel, the R-R-R goes from 0 to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and reaches the quarter mile in 12.4 sec. With better traction, it should accelerate quicker. And stop shorter too, although 114 ft. from 60 mph and 203 from 80 are nothing to sneeze at.

Nor were we disappointed with the Saleen's skidpad showing where it managed to pull an impressive 0.98g.

In an all-too-brief visit we didn't have a chance to drive Tim's car on the street, and maybe it's better that way. We still have our license. So does Tim, but then, hey, he's a TV star. Anyway, our host confesses, "You can't take the race car out of the car. We put insulation everywhere, but you can still hear and feel this thing. It's also a little too wiry for the street. First gear, it's ready to take off; 2nd gear, it chugs. It's happy cruising along with fast-moving freeway traffic."

Although Saleen changed the gearing and turned down the boost (to 10 psi), the car still doesn't like traffic. "There's so much torque in that motor...," Tim tells us.

"Indeed, there is, good neighbor" is what Wilson, Tim's TV neighbor, might say. "In fact, there's 527 lb.-ft. or 715 Newton-meters coming off that flywheel, Tim."

Tim Taylor, on the other hand, might say to his TV wife Jill, "Honey, did you know that there are 527 pounds of feet and a whole bunch of Fig Newtons stuck to my flywheel?"

Which is just the way Tim Allen likes it. "It's an absolute temptation to have a car that -- I don't care who pulls up next to me, in front of me, behind me, in a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or spec'd-out Porsche -- there's just not much out there that can come close to the thing. It's basically a street version of a Trans-Am car."

And no, it doesn't need more power. Right, Tim?

ACCELERATION

Time to speed ........... Seconds
0-30 mph ................... 2.3
0-40 mph ................... 3.3
0-50 mph ................... 4.2
0-60 mph ................... 4.9
0-70 mph ................... 6.1
0-80 mph ................... 7.3
0-90 mph ................... 8.3
0-100 mph .................. 9.8
0-110 mph .................. 11.4

Time to distance

0-100 ft .............................. 3.0
0-500 ft .............................. 6.9
0-800 ft .............................. 9.7
0-1320 ft (1/4 mi) ......... 12.4 @ 116 mph

BRAKING

Minimum stopping distance
>From 60 mph ............. 114 ft
>From 80 mph ............. 203 ft

HANDLING

Lateral accel (200-ft skidpad) ....... 0.98g
Speed thru 700-ft slalom ................ na

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Looks like a first gen. Talon.

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Quite the piece of history. Wonder what it looks like with the wheel covers off?

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Yep, def remember that...and the wheel covers are still ugly as hell.

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check this site out www.saleen9250.com

My buddies car

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My buddy did a replica of this car www.saleen9250.com

BE SURE TO GO TO HIS MYSPACE LINK TO WATCH HIM DRAG RACE

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Thats one ugly Ba****d

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The cars name was "Casper" . I remember an article in MM&FF where it was for sale for $75000.

Kelly

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looks like thunderbird headlights?

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looks ugly as hell

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They are t-bird headlights

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Headlights, hoodline, and wheel covers =

Everything else =

That 4.9-second 0-60 time is pretty pathetic, though. Either those folks can't drive, or that thing seriously needs some traction help ... which is kinda silly, if they put that much work into increasing the power but doing nothing about putting it to the ground effectively.

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Not a whole lot of suspension development for those cars back in 1993.

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I remember seeing aftermarket companies selling noses that housed the Tbird lights. They looked stupid back then....some things never change.

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*!Ding!* I remember seeing that front end for sale on EBay a while ago. I thought it was a hoax and ugly as ****.

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LiquidGT said: ↑

I remember seeing Tim Allen with a red one on Jay Leno like 10-12 yrs ago and I was never able to find it until now. On accident of course.

Nice find.

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576-bhp; The stock block and crankshaft are plenty strong

The 5.0 Dark Ages were great.

Speedlines are capped with body-color, aero-style wheel covers.

"Those were my idea," says Tim. They're so simple they make the car look totally different," says Allen.

Whats with the hubcaps? And Different dosent necessarly mean better. The front was an acceptable idea, but Saleen should have drawn the line with the wheel covers.

Hey Steve, I wanna put these Mercury Tracer hubcaps over your Speedline Rims!

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Remember guys, were talking early 90's here. Things were a lot different in the Mustang and car world. That power was not heard of on street Mustangs, and peoples styles were a lot different. I remember when everyone first saw the SN-95. Most ran and hid, yet the car when lookin back is nothing amazing looking or out of the ordinary.

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25thmustang said: ↑

Remember guys, were talking early 90's here. Things were a lot different in the Mustang and car world. That power was not heard of on street Mustangs, and peoples styles were a lot different. I remember when everyone first saw the SN-95. Most ran and hid, yet the car when lookin back is nothing amazing looking or out of the ordinary.

+1 on that statement. I remember when the magazines went nuts when the ford claimed the 225hp for the mustang, it was like the sea's parted .

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576whp on 12-14 supercharged psi with 8.8:1 CR? It hints at a stroker, so I'd say 347, but still...I don't believe the number. The block would have been gone by then, too.

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