As rare as a Packard?

Discussion in '1974 - 1978 Mustang II Talk & Tech' started by Andy CobraII, Apr 10, 2006.

  1. 78 venom

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    I wrote that II article for Mustang Enthusiast Magazine a while back, and am currently writing a new Mustang history book coming out this fall that I hope will begin to set the record straight on the II.

    There's a simple reason why uneducated people say stupid things like the II was "an ill-handling, inferior car" or was somehow a "Pinto" and not a real Mustang -- pure ignorance. Such statements are based only on misinformation, ill-reasoned prejudices, time-worn cliches' or a sheer lack of doing any real homework on the facts.

    A few hours spent reading about and reseaching the car (Gary Witzenburg's Mustang book is a good place to start) will put the II into proper context and quickly show that those kind of statements are not only false -- but that just the opposite is true:

    Fact: The II is less a Pinto than the '65 Stang is a Falcon. Fact: The II actually pioneered several industy wide vehicle quality improvements over all other cars before it, and set new standards for fit-and-finish and NVH. And fact: buff-book reviews loved the rack-and-pinion setup; the handling was considered so advanced that its steering and front suspension design became the standard for street rods to this day.

    There's much, much more to be told in favor of the II ... but the point here is the Valiant boy's opinion is not based on reality -- just opinion. And you know what they say about opinions ...

    More to the point is that no Plymouth Valiant (a defunct, disposable oddity that appealed only to old women and child molesters -- a car that deserved to die much ealier than did its parent nameplate) was never, nor ever will be, as collectible as ANY Mustang -- including the IIs.

    And oh, by the way, if one would study the history of Packard for 10 seconds, they'd find out Packards were excellent high-end competitors to Cadillac and Lincoln that couldn't make their way out of the 1950s ... trying to compare them in any way, shape or form to an inexpensive, 70s-era, fuel-efficient pony car is nothing short of retarded.

    There's really nothing worse than someone spouting off about something that they clearly know NOTHING about -- which is certainly the case with that post. Such inane rumblings don't deserve our anger, only our pity. May the car gods have mercy on his soul.
     
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    78 venom by the way, nice article you wrote. I've keep it around for the ignorant. Thanks
     
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    Thank you.:)
     
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  5. timeless2

    timeless2 Vi Veri Veni Versum Vicus Vici
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    Never said you did. Never said you didn't. Didn't come in here to spar, either. I came in to make sure someone was not being a fool by banging on the II's.
     
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    77sleeper GO BUCS!
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    good enough, nobody liked them they sucked, what ever, move along
     
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  8. THE COBRAMAN

    THE COBRAMAN pig 'rassler
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    Youse guys fall for it every time....:rolleyes: "They" don't like 'em, we do, been retreaded so many times the carcass is shot.

    And really, calling Valiant owners child molesters...that's helping "(y)our" cause how? Kinda takes the shine off of the previous piece, IMO.

    II owner for 26+ years (the same one, even!)
     
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  9. tomustang

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    That's right, they are highly intergraded into alot of kit cars :flag:
     
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  10. tomustang

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    Then why did they put mustang II basic suspension setup back in the mustang again? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Wart

    Wart I'm Mad as HELL and I'M not Gonna Take it ANYMORE!
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    I must be over, or burnt out on, that defending the II thing. That's why I didn't defend the II.

    But still, you don't go into someones shop and **** on the floor and not expect to get smacked around.


    26 years for you, 28 for me, if we got a shovel could probably dig up something to get upset over.

    But every time someone gets a II for the first time and gets hit with the PintoStang thing a fresh carcass is made. At least for them.

    I feel the same, uncalled for and out of place. Did take the shine off of the previous work,

    For me what really dulled it was this by Venom:
    And oh, by the way, if one would study the history of Packard for 10 seconds, they'd find out Packards were excellent high-end competitors to Cadillac and Lincoln that couldn't make their way out of the 1950s ... trying to compare them in any way, shape or form to an inexpensive, 70s-era, fuel-efficient pony car is nothing short of retarded.

    tells me that Venom missed the point of Andys post. Venom, there was no need to get insulting because of your missing Andys point.
     
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  12. Wart

    Wart I'm Mad as HELL and I'M not Gonna Take it ANYMORE!
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    Because, on several levels, it works?

    :shrug:
     
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    I just chimed in on him because I was a bit miffed and needed to vent anyway. Karman just made it too convenient to resist. Besides which, it made me feel better:canada:
     
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    I just wanted an excuse to post that cool pic.
     
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    I have a Plymouth Duster...does that make me only a stalker? or how bout a Bundy? :lol:

    Errrr...yeah....welll.... Just goes to show... you really can't polish a TURD. (That Matador posted earlier) And AMC wonders why they had a hard time selling cars... :puke:

    On another note... I like ALL the stangs but to be totally honest, I'm gettin really tired of seeing 400+ 65-68 Mustangs and the 400 more Fox stangs... EVERYWHERE. I get to the point of- seen one, i've seen 'em all. There just sooo many... Gimme some tricked out IIs or fat bodied 71-73s, or a Maverick, Fairlane or Falcon. Now you're talkin! :nice:

    Yeah i really don't waste too much time flaming the ignorant anymore. Besides, slapping their mom would probably be more resourceful.
    Just got done hanging one of those "dangerous, ill-handling, crap-o" mustang II front ends on my newly accuired '47 Ford Coupe. Geez I hope it doesn't cause me to wipe out my 20K+ streetrod once I'm done with it. Gimmie a break :rolleyes: You want to know what handles like crap... a Valiant. Fact- they don't come with sway bars unless you have the higher end 340/360 valiant or it's specially ordered. Ever drove a car wiout a sway bar? Yeah i bet he REALLY know how well a II handles. Putting a bar in my Duster was the 1st thing I did, and was mandantory for me to even dare to drive it.
    Dad's got a MII frontend under his '48 Coupe and I drove that sucker 1200 miles round trip last summer to a rod run. Far sight better than that old dropped I-beam henry first designed 'er with.
     
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