Cobra IRS wheel hop

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  1. thomas91169

    thomas91169 I'd donkey punch my sister.

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    i think ford is the last of the domestics to still utilize solid-rear on their RWD Car lineup.

    the GTO is IRS
    the Corvette is IRS
    the new Camaro is IRS
    the new Challenger is IRS

    Ford Mustang is SRA. its also lacking in almost every other department, it takes a blower and a 75k+ price tag to do what almost every other one listed above does without boost and at a much lower price.

    I wish ford would commit to IRS. they slapped it a SN95 chassis that wasnt designed for it, we got a somewhat decent IRS unit in an aged chassis. they then designed the S197 for IRS useage and ended up opting out for Solid Rear.

    Mainly because its half a century old by design. id hope to hell its alot cheaper. how long has ford been using the 8.8" Rear end?

    Give IRS the same time in modders hands, and see what happens.

    Have you owned both? have you put in track time using both or is this just more hearsay from the solid rear camp?

    id hope to hell its cheaper. fords been using the same setup for how many years now?

    give irs that much time in a chassis and holy ****.



    EDIT: Whoops, wrong window to submit on........
  2. tomustang

    tomustang Psychotic Member Founding Member

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  3. thomas91169

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    lets see. lets compare a car with modded solid rear versus stock IRS. yeah. totally legitimate comparison there.

    why not take a stock fusion and take on a nascar while youre at it. one is properly prepped, after all :shrug:

    how bout you compare IRS and SRA with equal modifications. run them on a stock 03/04 cobra, the same car, swap out the irs for the sra and see what happens. id imagine 1) slower track times with the SRA, 2) driver would probably feel less confident in the turns 3) driver would wonder why the first tests felt like his beamer in the corner while the second tests the car felt like a civic.

    hahahaha.

    sucks to be you.

    the guy i sold my cobra to was going to do the whole solid rear swap (actually the first deal was for my payoff amount, he gets my solid rear from my GT, i get the IRS from the cobra). after driving it for a week, he declined the deal and gave me 1000$ extra, he couldnt stand the thought of going back. he actually stopped driving his Bullitt as well, and plans to make that IRS.

    IMO if you drive on the street, IRS is far far far far superior to solid rear. like ive said before, track only vehicles would be all i would go back to solid rear for, just for ease of availability of parts, not necessarily cheapness or durability (hell, most other cars halfshafts can barely hold stock power levels, let alone 450+ that we put through on a Cobra)
  4. Uncle Meat

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    No Tom. When we're talking about the 03/04 IRS compared to a SRA it's actually closer to 150. At least that's what I'm told from the guys who have already performed this swap and compared the components and weighed both. I know the 03/04 IRS is a little more beefy than prior years and they may account for the additional weight savings.

    Until Ford pulls their head out of their ass and actually designs an IRS that works as well as the others previously mentioned (GTO, Vette, BMW) I'll still praise the SRA for hard driving.

    U.M.

    Look at this monstrosity for Christs sake!

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  5. tomustang

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    Rotor weight, brake caliper/pads, and struts are added to the IRS weight (not judging by the pic, but I bet that's why)

    Ever carry 2 boxes of rotors before? :p

    Differences between 99/03 IRS

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    Half Shafts Stronger on 03
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    Inner Tierod Mounting Point about 5mm lower on 03 (99/01 vs 03/00R)
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    Front differential tie bar is not intergrated with the differential mounting bolts on the 99-01
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    Control arm bushings are of a higher durameter on the 03
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    Knuckles (uprights) are significantly weaker on the 99-01
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    03 Differential has weight damper (donkey balls) hanging off the diff casing
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    99 had 28 Spline half shafts while the 01+ had 31 spline half shafts


    Not much of a weight increase from the two of them
  6. MustangDanny

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    I'm about to change to 03 Bilsteins and H&R Race springs on my 99 from a 100% stock setup so I'll let you know how much of a difference that makes on my car. I'll be running 295 BFG Comp TAs for rubber.
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    That picture does not represent what was weighed, it was merely added for visual impact to illustrate how many more components the IRS consists of. If I ever personally remove mine I'll make sure I remove the calipers, pads, struts, etc. before snapping a pic. :p

    As for why the 03/04 gys report almost 150lb weight savings I can't say. It's just what most all of them report. :shrug:

    U.M.
  8. grey03cobravert

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    i got a buddy wi th 95 rear end minus brakes with 4.10 for sale for 300 bucks pm me ,
    o and no axles . i got some out
    of 97 if theyll work ?
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    ^^ Well there ya go stangsalwayswin :nice: throw them fine parts on yer 99 Cobra and sell the IRS that Ford installed :rlaugh:
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    So, for all you cobra IRS haters, why don't you actually come up with some engineering facts that show the cobra IRS is inferior to lets say the Corvette IRS. Oh, and a side note, it is the thunderbird IRS that ended up in the Cobra. So, those 2 are the same.
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    The proof is in the pudding.... you don't see Corvette owners installing SRA's in their cars and you don't hear them complaining about wheel hop either! What more proof do you need? It's only the IRS Cobra owners who seem to do this.

    U.M.
  12. stangsalwayswin

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    Screw that my cobra is not a "race car" it is my daily driver that i get out and have fun with. I just hate the wheel hop and it will take a little money to stop. If this were a race car I would swap in the SRA.
  13. grey03cobravert

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    mines not a race car . and a swapped , it looks better under the rear now . you can fool people to thinking you got a cobra clone , by looking at your exhast , them tell yes it is ,, then smoke them.
  14. Kilgore Trout

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    Sounds like someone needs to get a Corvette already... :shrug: :Zip2:
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    Actually, I know people who have blown up their corvette rear ends. It usually happens when they get that nice big launch. But, since the car wasn't designed for the drag strip, you don't see them out there all the time pushing their rear end's as far as they can go like the mustang crowd. PLUS, they are rocking on the race track. Other than the IRS being mounted in an aluminum chassis and mounted a little differently, that is really the difference. They put the IRS in for the same reasons ours have IRS, better wheel travel, more road control, better daily comfort.

    It is possible to brace ours up to not hop. Even a solid axle will hop with out quad shocks.
  16. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Fried or Broiled ?

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    I get a lot less wheel hop with the new BFG KDWS tires that I got in the stock size. They grab like crazy so it launches and its not really about the massive brake stand. Its more about the launch and the twisties.

    My GT would hop sideways on the slightest crack in the pavement every time on curves. The Cobra just powers through them.

    But I suspect we are comparing apples to oranges because I am basing my assessment on a stock GT compared to a stock Cobra by an owner who prefers to keep his Mustangs largely stock.

    But at the end of the day I will always recommend no SRA swap for Cobras unless the owner specifically states that he is building a straight line racer and will be hauling it around on a trailer.
  17. tomustang

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    That is why I said

  18. tomustang

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    The corvette IRS was designed for the corvette, that is a good enough answer

    I would point more toward the cobra being a muscle car being that it will see more strip time than a corvette, since the vette is gear towards road racing, and road racing enthusiasts, and small penis men :D

    oh and you will see more vette owners complaining about eatin up diffs due to wheel hop over just having wheelhop :p
  19. thomas91169

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    agreed 100% with the above.
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