Here's the New Mustang Lineup Ford should build!

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  1. 351CJ

    351CJ New Member

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    Here's some thoughts on what Ford should come out with for regular and special models. Cars like the V6, V6 Pony, GT, GTS & Cobra should be regular models. The Mach & Boss models would be special edition models, made for 1 or 2 years at a time and rotated. Other than stripes, I haven't figured out what to do with any Shelby Models as the Boss & Cobra models pretty much cover all bases.

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    Mustang V6
    202 HP / 235 lb. ft 4.0L 2V, SOHC V6 engine
    P215/65R16 tires
    Coupe Base MSRP $18,950

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    Mustang Pony V6
    Adds or replaces on Mustang V6:
    3.5L DOHC Duratec35 V6, with VCT 10.5:1 CR, 91 octane fuel
    270 HP @ 6250 RPM / 260 lb. ft @ 4800 RPM
    Independent rear suspension
    3.73 rear axle ratio
    8.8" Limited slip differential
    Dual exhaust with down turned tips
    P235/55R17 tires
    Unique wheels
    12.4"F / 11.8"R vented brake rotors
    Unique rear spoiler
    Unique Pony badging
    Coupe Base MSRP $22,550

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    Mustang GT
    4.6L SOHC, 3V, V8 engine, 87 Octane Fuel
    300 HP @ 6000 RPM / 315 lb. ft @ 4500 RPM
    3 link live rear axle.
    3.27:1 8.8" Limited Slip axle*
    *3.55:1 optional axle ratio
    Dual Exhaust
    GT badging
    Rear Wing*
    *Rear Wing Delete Option
    12.4"F / 11.8"R Vented brake rotors
    Coupe Base MSRP $24,950

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    Mustang GTS
    Adds or replaces on Mustang GT
    Independent Rear Suspension
    Unique Suspension Tuning to maximize road handling
    3.55 rear axle ratio
    Limited Slip rear end
    Unique Fog lamps mounted in bumper
    Includes Deluxe Trim and Leather Seats
    Rear Spoiler (duck-tail not wing)
    GTS Badging
    6 Speed MTX optional
    Coupe Base MSRP $26,950

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    Mustang Mach 1
    Adds or replaces on Mustang GT
    3 link live rear axle.
    3.55 rear axle ratio*
    *3.73 optional axle ratio
    Limited Slip rear end
    5.4L SOHC 3 valve, V8 engine, 9.8:1 compression ratio, 87 Octane fuel
    350 HP @ 5800 RPM / 365 lb. ft @ 4000 RPM
    Specially tuned 2.5" diameter exhaust system
    Unique front spoiler
    Unique rear wing
    Unique Mach 1 graphics
    Includes Deluxe Trim and leather seats
    Shaker Hood Scoop
    Performance Tuned Suspension
    Magnum 500 style Heritage Wheels
    Coupe Base MSRP $28,950

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    Mustang Boss 302
    Adds or replaces on Mustang GT
    Independent Rear Suspension
    3.73 rear axle ratio*
    4:10 optional axle ratio.
    Limited Slip rear end
    302 CID DOHC, 4 V, V8 engine with 10.0:1 CR, 91 Octane fuel
    400 HP @ 6800 RPM / 370 lb. ft @ 4800 RPM
    3.70" Bore x 3.55" stroke
    High Performance 2.5" dia. X pipe exhaust system
    Oil Cooler
    Unique front spoiler
    Unique rear wing
    Unique Boss 302 graphics
    Shaker Hood Scoop
    Performance Tuned Suspension, lowered by 1 inch & tuned for road handling.
    P255/45R18 tires with Heritage Wheels
    6 Speed MTX standard
    13.5"R / 12.5"R Dual Piston brake rotors
    Coupe Base MSRP $33,550

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    Mustang Boss 351
    Adds or replaces on Mustang GT
    Independent Rear Suspension
    *Optional 31 spline live rear axle with locking differential
    3.55 rear axle ratio
    Limited Slip rear end
    351 CID, SOHC 3 valve V10 engine with 10.0:1 compression ratio (91 Octane fuel)
    400 HP @ 5800 RPM / 430 lb. ft @ 4000 RPM
    Performance tuned 2.75" diameter exhaust system and mufflers
    3.55" bore x 3.54" stroke
    Oil Cooler
    Unique front spoiler
    Unique rear wing
    Unique Boss 351 graphics
    Unique Hood Scoop
    Performance Tuned Suspension
    P255/45R18 tires with Heritage Wheels
    Coupe Base MSRP $34,550

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    Mustang Boss 429
    Adds or replaces on Mustang GT
    High Performance 31 spline live rear axle.
    3.23 rear axle ratio
    Locking differential
    429 CID, SOHC 3 valve V10 engine with 10.0:1 compression ratio (91 Octane fuel)
    3.62" bore x 4.16" stroke
    500 HP @ 5500 RPM / 500 lb. ft @ 3800 RPM
    Special 3.0" diameter exhaust system and mufflers
    Oil Cooler
    6 Speed MTX only
    Unique front spoiler
    Unique rear wing
    Unique grille w/o fog lamps
    Unique Boss 429 graphics
    Unique Hood Scoop
    Drag Tuned Suspension
    P255/45R18 tires with Heritage Wheels
    Coupe Base MSRP $37,950

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    SVT Cobra
    Adds or replaces on Mustang GT
    Independent Rear Suspension
    3,73 rear axle ratio
    Limited Slip rear end
    5.4L SOHC, 3 V, V8 engine, Supercharged with 8.7:1 CR, 91 Octane fuel
    470 HP @ 6500 RPM / 470 lb. ft @ 4500 RPM
    3.55" Bore x 4.16" stroke
    Unique Cobra Exhaust system
    Unique front spoiler
    Unique rear wing
    Unique Cobra front and rear facias
    Dual ram air hood scoops
    Performance Tuned Suspension
    P275/40ZR18 tires
    Cobra 10" wide wheels
    6 Speed MTX standard
    13.5"R / 12.5"R Dual Piston brake rotors
    Coupe Base MSRP $35,950
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  2. Omegalock

    Omegalock New Member

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    Way...too many. Cut back by one or two. I honestly don't see the need for a Boss 351 AND a 429
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  3. pairofnines

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    I don't see a Boss 429 happening like that. I don't know why Ford would do that. And putting the 5.0 Cammer in a Boss 302 doesn't sound like Ford either. I'd love to have that, I would be the first in line for one, but I think Ford will probably stick to the 4.6 and 5.4, maybe something different, but I'm not holding my breath.
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  4. Z28x

    Z28x New Member

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    Looks good, but why would anyone buy the 400HP Boss 351 when for the same money you could have the 470HP S/C 5.4L Cobra?

    Maybe they could be avalible different years
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  5. lawrence

    lawrence Founding Member

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    Dude, you think about this a little too much don't you?

    I'd like to see the GT and Cobra be a little closer together in performance.
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  6. skywarp

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    I just need to know, did you pull this out of your head.:scratch: It would be too much for the first year. Get rid of the "Pony" package too.
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  7. awalbert88

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    Forget the BOSS 429, BOSS 302, Mach 1, and Pony V6. The BOSS 351 might happen, and a GTS wouldn't be too bad. Although I think GTS isn't a very great name for it, I would still like to see a GT upgraded with IRS and a T56.

    The T56 should really be optional equipment on the GT to begin with, but I guess Ford didn't want the complexity of that option (?).
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    Yeah definately way to many models. Maybe tuners could come up with the extra models.
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  9. davis181

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    dude you forgot about a new shelby
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  10. Ron Jeremy

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    Ford is going to build the BOSS, but it's going to be the BOSS 281. This makes more sense because the Mustang will have the 4.6L engine which is a 281 cu. in. engine. I like the idea of Ford building a BOSS 281 Mustang. :nice:
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  11. 351CJ

    351CJ New Member

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    Dudes - you didn't read the first thing I said in my post:

    Cars like the V6, V6 Pony, GT, GTS & Cobra should be regular models.

    The Mach & Boss models would be special edition models, made for 1 or 2 years at a time and rotated.

    Other than stripes, I haven't figured out what to do with any Shelby Models as the Boss & Cobra models pretty much cover all bases.


    That is there would NEVER be all the models I listed available for sale during the same year.

    There are rumors of a 427 Corvette in 2006, so the Boss 429 may be needed more than you think. With the V10 truck block a Boss 429 would not be that hard to do. I'm sure that at some point the V10 truck engine is going to go to 3 valve heads, so there's your head castings too. The Boss 429 would, of course, be a very limited edition model, I can't see more than 3000 units being made over its 2 year production run. It probably wouldn't be that great a car either, with it's big heavy iron block V10 truck engine up front, but that wouldn't matter.

    The original 1969 Boss 429 was a DOG off the showroom floor, but here it is 35 years later and people still worship the 1969 Boss 429 like it was the 2nd coming of the Messiah. That's the whole idea of a new Boss 429. A totally impractical, over the top ridiculous Mustang, but something your grand kids will still be drooling over in the year 2039.
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  12. 351CJ

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    The Boss 302 would only be made for a year or 2 and then gone. So you are buying exclusivity and a piece of history and getting that 302 engine almost everyone seems to want.

    Like I said at the very beginning of the thread, the different "Feature Models" would be rotated every year or two, so there would never be more than one feature model on sale at the same time.

    V6, V6 Pony, GT, GTS, Cobra are "standard" models available most years.

    Feature models are rotated, something like this:

    2006 Boss 302

    2007 Boss 302, Mach 1

    2008 Mach 1, Boss 429

    2009 Boss 429, Boss 351

    2010 Boss 351, Shelby GT-350

    You can talk about after maket tuners all you want, like Saleen, Roush or whomever, but nothing will hold its value in the future like a "factory car". (Shelby's excluded). In 20 years, what will be more desireable and have more value, a 2008 factory Boss 429 or a Saleen S281?
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    You wouldn't sell too many GT's or GTS models at 300 hp with a V6 at 270.
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    HP is not the important #, TORQUE is:

    260 lb. ft projected for the Duratec35 with 10.5:1 compression.
    315 lb. ft for the 4.6L SOHC 3V
    55 lb ft more @ lower RPM = big difference.

    Two simple reasons for a Mustang V6 performance model:

    1. Silence the auto critics who will say Ford can't build a V6 Mustang that is competitive with the imports.

    2. Provide a Mustang V6 model with reasonble performance but with lower total cost of ownership, initial cost, insurance, gasoline, etc. so it is more attractive to younger customers.

    A performance V6 like I described will have a minimal impact on GT sales, but it would capture some sales from people who would have bought imports or bought a used GT instead of a new Mustang.
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  15. Sir Hacksalot

    Sir Hacksalot Founding Member

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    I like it. I doubt it will happen, but I like it.

    FYI...I'd be all over the Boss 302.

    Hax
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  16. yellow5.0cobra

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    Lower the compression ratios for the V8's and V10's to 9.5:1 and then it will be PERFECT.

    10:1 for the V6 is good too.
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  17. SVTdriver

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    The problem is you are still talking about 5 models in every year minimum. While it would be nice. I think it's impractical. You would be better off hopig you could option the cars out to the V6pony or gts. Rather than have them try making alterations to the build as they go down the assembly line. My opinion is the dealer should be able to put in the add on pieces for a reasonable cost.
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  18. 351CJ

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    Are you guys considering that the new Mustang will probably sell 30% - 40% more units per year than it has averaged over the last 5 years? With these additional sales Ford could easily support another model each year.

    There is no way a dealer can install significant upgrades like IRS, 6 speed trannie, different engine, etc. at a reasonable cost. Besides with some of the incompetance I've seen at a couple dealers I wouln't trust some of them to rotate my tires or change my oil. Yea I know there are good dealers but someone I used to work with had her dealer forget to put oil in her car when they "changed" it. :bang:
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  19. SVTdriver

    SVTdriver Founding Member

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    The problem with that argument is the probably. While I am not doubting that it will sell more cars. I'm not sure that it will sell that many. And until it does Ford likely won't even consider adding extra regular models.
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    By regular models you mean what? The V6, GT, and maybe a GTS? And the rest are special orders? And I'm not sure if there will be a GT350 or GT500, it hasn't been confirmed, but maybe a Boss and/or a Mach 1 might be thrown in as special models. And I know I doubt there will be many different engine options availible, if any, the 60's Mustangs had tons of options and packages, I think Ford MIGHT be trying to recapture those times, when there were many options, you could get it anyway you wanted. Thats what I tend to think will happen.
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