How Do I Bypass Clutch Safety Witch On An 89 Fox?

Steven Pech

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hey guys! so i have an 89 mustang gt and i went ahead and put a 92 mustang transmission in it. i noticed that the 89 transmission had 2 wires connected to.it (one was for the reverse and the other was for the neutral/clutch safety switch). the 92 transmission only had 1 connection, and that was for the reverse. so i installed the 92 and plugged in the reverse cable and just zip tied the safety switch. when i went to start it up, all the lights and everything came on. when i turned the key all i heard was a loud click. the wire being disconnected led me to believe that it was the clutch safety switch. but im not sure. i also think its weird that a 89 t5 has a clutch safety switch, but the 92 t5 doesnt? is there any way i can bypass the switch since i have nowhere to connect it on the transmission? if you guys could please help. id greatly appreciate it. thanks guys.
-steven
 
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What's a clutch safety "witch"? Is that like a nagging wife that tells you how to drive? Bypassing her would mean driving off real fast before she could get in the car then I would think. What do you think @stykthyn ?

Anyhow @jrichker can probably help with this one.
 
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How come everytime there's a poor decision to be made I get pulled into it? : sigh: ground your safety witch. Switch disabled. Now request permission for a fly by. I would recommend your insurance is up to date and no one knows you did this.
 
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The Neutral Safety Switch (NSS) has nothing to do with the starter circuit on a manual transmission Mustang. The 92 T5 trans came with one as standard equipment. Someone may have sold you another model T5.

See the diagram below, item #8...
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If you are having a no crank problem, the answer is in here...
No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 24-Oct-2013 to update voltage drop figures.

No crank, slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are grouped together.
Use the same initial group of tests to find the root cause of slow crank, no crank and stuck solenoid problems.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery for low charge and dead cells. A good battery will measure 12-13 volts at full charge with the ignition switch in the Run position but without the engine running.
A voltmeter placed across the battery terminals should show a minimum of 9.5-10 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position and the starter engages or tries to engage. Less than this will result in a clicking solenoid, or slow cranking (if it cranks at all) or a starter solenoid that sticks and welds the contacts together.

Most auto parts stores will check your battery for free. It does not have to be installed in the car to have it checked; you can carry it with you to the auto parts store.

The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or battery post cleaner tool. This little trick will fix a surprising number of no start problems.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a known problem causer. Any place you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Corroded connections do not conduct electricity well. Avoid them like the plague...

If the starter solenoid welds the contacts, then the starter will attempt to run anytime there is power in the battery. The cables and solenoid will get very hot, and may even start smoking. The temporary fix for a welded starter solenoid is to disconnect the battery and smack the back of the solenoid housing a sharp blow with a hammer. This may cause the contacts to unstick and work normally for a while.


A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .25 volts across a connection indicates a problem. The voltage drop tests need to be done while cranking the engine. It's the current flowing through a connection or wire that causes the voltage drop.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .

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Voltage drops should not exceed the following:
200 mV Wire or cable
300 mV Switch or solenoid
100 mV Ground
0.0V Connections
A voltage drop lower that spec is always acceptable.

2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean them up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter solenoid next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

The rest of the tech note only concerns no crank problems. If your problem was a stuck solenoid, go back to step 1.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang
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Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
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Electrical checks for the switches and starter solenoid

Remove the small red/blue wire from the starter solenoid. Use a screwdriver to bridge the connection from the battery positive connection on the starter solenoid to the small screw where the red/blue wire was connected. The starter should crank the engine. If it does not, the starter solenoid is defective or the battery lacks sufficient charge to crank the engine.

If the starter does crank the engine, the problem is in the clutch safety circuit (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) or ignition switch.


See the Typical start circuit diagram above for wiring information for troubleshooting.

You will need a voltmeter or test lamp for the rest of the checks. Connect one lead of the voltmeter or test lamp to ground. The other lead will connect to the item under test.
Look for 12 volts on the white/pink wire when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position. Check the ignition switch first.
No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

The next step will require you to push the clutch pedal to the floor (5 speed) or put the transmission in neutral (auto trans) while the ignition switch is turned to the Start position.
Good 12 volts, check the clutch safety switch (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) for good 12 volts on both sides of the switches. No 12 volts on both sides of the switch and the switches are defective or out of adjustment. Check the wiring for bad connections while you are at it.
 

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Ok so I jumped the starter solenoid and it still didn't start. My buddy and I tried to pop the clutch, while pushing the car he put it in first with the clutch depressed and the car stopped. (It went into gear with the clutch depressed) now I'm thinking it's the transmission ?
 
Ok so I jumped the starter solenoid and it still didn't start. My buddy and I tried to pop the clutch, while pushing the car he put it in first with the clutch depressed and the car stopped. (It went into gear with the clutch depressed) now I'm thinking it's the transmission ?

What does the opening statement of the "No Crank Checklists" say?
No crank, slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections.

Go back and slowly and carefully read the checklist. Then read it again or print it off to take with you. Do each step one step at a time. Do not jump around, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. The step you skip may very well be the one you need to do to find the problem.


Push starting the car works best in second gear....
If you can't push the car with the trans in Neutral, then you have transmission problems.
If you can push the car with the trans in Neutral, forget about the transmission being the source of your No Crank problems.
 
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I was able to push the car in neutral, when my buddy put it in 2nd the wheels locked up. (With the clutch pedal depressed)
What do you think, possible transmission problem?
 
I was able to push the car in neutral, when my buddy put it in 2nd the wheels locked up. (With the clutch pedal depressed)
What do you think, possible transmission problem?

Bad clutch

Edit: might be a bad trans if you just installed it, but I've had a blown up clutch disc behave that way. Chunks wedge between the fw and pp and won't allow disengagement.
 
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Yea I'm going to take it to a shop and have them look at it
Don't give up yet unless to have money to throw away...
You are looking at $600-$1500 parts and labor. Figure out what's wrong one step at a time and you'll have better plan to fix what's broken.

You know that it can be pushed in neutral, and that's good. The transmission will freewheel which means that it at least shifts properly. If someone put the transmission together wrong with 2 gears selected, it would lock up solid. Since it will roll OK in neutral, you can probably rule that out.

Did you remove the bellhousing or starter at any time when you swapped the transmission??

If not, then that leaves a No Crank problem and you have the no crank checklist to work through. Do the checklist as prescribed and you will find and fix the problem.
 
Yea i didn't touch the starter or the bell housing. I'll do the checklist. But if the transmission was built wrong, wouldn't it be the transmission that's the problem? Thanks man I appreciate it