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    At least we know who to point the cops to if you suddenly disappear. She doesn't know how to run a backhoe, does she?
     
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    No, no backhoe training. Lucky me. Rolled the engine over, first time it has turned in over a year. Lots of squeeks. No fuel hooked up till the tank gets here so thats all I got for now. Needs a good cleaning in there and some lube or something.
     
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    http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/Product/Images/LRS-9002BK


    three holes in the top, one in the side. side hole is filler pipe. small top hole there is a white plastic piece with a rubber grommet that seems to fit that one (vapor valve! ok got this one). the hole next to that is the sending unit? what is the hole in the center for? I did not drop the fuel tank, it was dropped on mine. so i do not have the knowledge of what was taken off. In mine the hole in the center has the part in it with the electrical hookup, it is rusted terrible and i am going to leave it as i am buying a new tank. but what is it??? sending unit for fuel guage?


    never mind, couple million searches on google and i got it.
     
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    Progress! Keep rollin, man.
     
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    Yeah, now i wait 4 days to get the tank and sending unit delivered.
     
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    little progress with work and all. had my body and paint guy over to take a look see. we are basically going to repaint the whole vehicle after some light body work. pull all the trim, lights etc and give it a new look. still have not decided on vinyl or leather replacement for the seats, although whatever the choice it will be back to factory white. going to drain all the fluids and change the oil pan and transmission gaskets as well as the tranny filter this weekend (wife permitting). and thats it for a while.
     
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    S&B I hate my CT. :(

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    if you were going for a stock nice car, why didn't you buy that right away?
     
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    price, everyone in a 500 mile radius thinks that their vehicle is worth as much as it was new from the factory. While this one needs work it still will come in thousands under what people wanted for theirs. plus this one is a little different than all the others. lets just say even with all the work i still stole this one.
     
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    bought some 93 vert pony seats. still need new skin but the foam is good. Going to swap them on the rails that are in the car. my driver seat is power with lumbar, these are just lumbar. gonna make them have everything and the pull out knee bolsters! At 6'4" i want leg support, i can still remember the seats not being that great way back in high school. And i do believe this was an option so not straying from stock.
     
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    small milestone, replaced fuel pump and tank. a little trouble shooting and.... SHE RUNS!!! plenty of umf on the street too! not that i would know because i would never drive it without plates ;)
     
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    So now it is all cosmetic basically. Scheduling it for paint this summer, doors fender and hood pulled, everything painted. Needs a whole new convertible top with well liner. And new seat skins all the way around. Has a "short" in the ignition that if you jiggle the key will reconnect, loses power to the convertible top and a/c sometimes. Should be an easy fix for tonight I hope. Couple little things like new ashtray and cigarette lighter, new a/c knobs and map pockets. The more I look the less I see to do which is a nice feeling. From here on out all it is is money right? Taking donations....
     
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    Hey JC - what state are you in? We need a car to test fit our new convertible top, window and well liner on! You aren't by any chance located in Southern California are ya??
     
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    Michigan..... :( But funny thing about plane tickets, they are a write off for a business;) Would love to let you work on it, if it can work I am game. You do have a distributor close by... National Parts Depot in Livonia.
     
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    That's a bummer - it's one of those things we need to test fit 'in house' so we can make adjustments!!

    side note: nothing but good things to say about NPD - top notch guys over there!
     
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    DAMN!!!!!! oh well i tried. road trip? be there next week. hopefully you can find a member in that area that needs that. post a thread when you do, be good pr.
     
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    I believe the hose that comes out of the bottom of the TAD (rear valve) goes to the cylinder head crossover tubing. The hose that comes out of the rear of the TAD goes to the cat pipe. Just rubber, but molded to shape to make it fit nice. Hoses don't go thru the firewall at all.
     
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    Thermactor Air System
    Some review of how it works...

    Revised 17-Sept-2011 to add testing procedure.

    The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) supplies air to the heads or catalytic converters. This air helps break down the excess HC (hydrocarbons) and CO (carbon monoxide). The air supplied to the catalytic converters helps create the catalytic reaction that changes the HC & CO into CO2 and water vapor. Catalytic converters on 5.0 Mustangs are designed to use the extra air provided by the smog pump. Without the extra air, the catalytic converters will clog and fail.

    The Thermactor air pump draws air from an inlet filter in the front of the pump. The smog pump puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve, TAB (Thermactor Air Bypass) or AM1 valve) either dumps air to the atmosphere or passes it on to the second valve. The second valve, TAD (Thermactor Air Diverter valve or AM2 valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. Check valves located after the TAB & TAD solenoids prevent hot exhaust gases from damaging the control valves or pump in case of a backfire. The air serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process. The computer tells the Thermactor Air System to open the Bypass valve at WOT (wide open throttle) minimizing engine drag. This dumps the pump's output to the atmosphere, and reduces the parasitic drag caused by the smog pump to about 2-4 HP at WOT. The Bypass valve also opens during deceleration to reduce or prevent backfires.

    Code 44 RH side air not functioning.
    Code 94 LH side air not functioning.

    The computer uses the change in the O2 sensor readings to detect operation of the Thermactor control valves. When the dump valve opens, it reduces the O2 readings in the exhaust system. Then it closes the dump valve and the O2 readings increase. By toggling the dump valve (TAB), the computer tests for the 44/94 codes.

    Failure mode is usually due to a clogged air crossover tube, where one or both sides of the tube clog with carbon. The air crossover tube mounts on the back of the cylinder heads and supplies air to each of the Thermactor air passages cast into the cylinder heads. When the heads do not get the proper air delivery, they set codes 44 & 94, depending on which passage is clogged. It is possible to get both 44 & 94, which would suggest that the air pump or control valves are not working correctly, or the crossover tube is full of carbon or missing.


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    Computer operation & control for the Thermactor Air System
    Automobile computers use current sink technology. They do not source power to any relay, solenoid or actuator like the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors. Instead the computer provides a ground path for the positive battery voltage to get back to the battery negative terminal. That flow of power from positive to negative is what provides the energy to make the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors work. No ground provided by the computer, then the actuators and relays don't operate.

    One side of the any relay/actuator/solenoid in the engine compartment will be connected to a red wire that has 12-14 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side will have 12-14 volts when the relay/actuator/solenoid isn't turned on. Once the computer turns on the clamp side, the voltage on the computer side of the wire will drop down to 1 volt or less.

    In order to test the TAD/TAB solenoids, you need to ground the white/red wire on the TAB solenoid or the light green/black wire on the TAD solenoid.

    For 94-95 cars: the colors are different. The White/Red wire (TAB control) is White/Orange (Pin 31 on the PCM). The Green/Black wire (TAD control) should be Brown (pin 34 at the PCM). Thanks to HISSIN50 for this tip.

    Testing the system:

    To test the computer, you can use a test light across the TAB or TAD wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker.

    Disconnect the big hose from smog pump: with the engine running you should feel air output. Reconnect the smog pump hose & apply vacuum to the first vacuum controlled valve: Its purpose is to either dump the pump's output to the atmosphere or pass it to the next valve.

    The next vacuum controlled valve directs the air to either the cylinder heads when the engine is cold or to the catalytic converter when the engine is warm. Disconnect the big hoses from the back side of the vacuum controlled valve and start the engine. Apply vacuum to the valve and see if the airflow changes from one hose to the next.

    The two electrical controlled vacuum valves mounted on the rear of the passenger side wheel well turn the vacuum on & off under computer control. Check to see that both valves have +12 volts on the red wire. Then ground the white/red wire and the first solenoid should open and pass vacuum. Do the same thing to the light green/black wire on the second solenoid and it should open and pass vacuum.

    Remember that the computer does not source power for any actuator or relay, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

    The computer provides the ground to complete the circuit to power the solenoid valve that turns the
    vacuum on or off. The computer is located under the passenger side kick panel. Remove the kick panel & the cover over the computer wiring connector pins. Check Pin 38 Solenoid valve #1 that provides vacuum to the first Thermactor control valve for a switch from 12-14 volts to 1 volt or less. Do the same with pin 32 solenoid valve #2 that provides vacuum to the second Thermactor control valve. Starting the engine with the computer jumpered to self test mode will cause all the actuators to toggle on and off. If after doing this and you see no switching of the voltage on and off, you can start testing the wiring for shorts to ground and broken wiring. An Ohm check to ground with the computer connector disconnected & the solenoid valves disconnected should show open circuit between the pin 32 and ground and again on pin 38 and ground. In like manner, there should be less than 1 ohm between pin 32 and solenoid valve #2 and pin 38 & Solenoid valve #1.

    If after checking the resistance of the wiring & you are sure that there are no wiring faults, start looking at the solenoid valves. If you disconnect them, you can jumper power & ground to them to verify operation. Power & ground supplied should turn on the vacuum flow, remove either one and the vacuum should stop flowing.

    Typical resistance of the solenoid valves is in the range of 20-70 Ohms.

    Theory of operation:
    Catalytic converters consist of two different types of catalysts: Reduction and Oxidation.
    The Reduction catalyst is the first converter in a 5.0 Mustang, and the Oxidation converter is the second converter. The Oxidation converter uses the extra air from the smog pump to burn the excess HC. Aftermarket converters that use the smog pump often combine both types of catalysts in one housing. Since all catalytic reactions depend on heat to happen, catalytic converters do not work as efficiently with long tube headers. The extra length of the long tubes reduces the heat available to operate the O2 sensors and the catalytic converters. That will cause emissions problems, and reduce the chances of passing an actual smog test.


    Now for the Chemistry...
    "The reduction catalyst is the first stage of the catalytic converter. It uses platinum and rhodium to help reduce the NOx emissions. When an NO or NO2 molecule contacts the catalyst, the catalyst rips the nitrogen atom out of the molecule and holds on to it, freeing the oxygen in the form of O2. The nitrogen atoms bond with other nitrogen atoms that are also stuck to the catalyst, forming N2. For example:

    2NO => N2 + O2 or 2NO2 => N2 + 2O2

    The oxidation catalyst is the second stage of the catalytic converter. It reduces the unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide by burning (oxidizing) them over a platinum and palladium catalyst. This catalyst aids the reaction of the CO and hydrocarbons with the remaining oxygen in the exhaust gas. For example:

    2CO + O2 => 2CO2

    There are two main types of structures used in catalytic converters -- honeycomb and ceramic beads. Most cars today use a honeycomb structure." Quote courtesy of How Stuff Works (HowStuffWorks "Catalysts")

    What happens when there is no extra air from the smog pump...
    As engines age, the quality of tune decreases and wear causes them to burn oil. We have all seem cars that go down the road puffing blue or black smoke from the tailpipe. Oil consumption and poor tune increase the amount of HC the oxidation catalyst has to deal with. The excess HC that the converters cannot oxidize due to lack of extra air becomes a crusty coating inside the honeycomb structure. This effectively reduces the size of the honeycomb passageways and builds up thicker over time and mileage. Continuous usage under such conditions will cause the converter to fail and clog. The extra air provided by the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) is essential for the oxidation process. It oxidizes the added HC from oil consumption and poor tune and keeps the HC levels within acceptable limits.

    Newer catalytic converters do not use the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) because they are designed to work with an improved computer system that runs leaner and cleaner
    They add an extra set of O2 sensors after the catalytic converters to monitor the oxygen and HC levels. Using this additional information, the improved computer system adjusts the air/fuel mixture for cleaner combustion and reduced emissions. If the computer cannot compensate for the added load of emissions due to wear and poor tune, the catalytic converters will eventually fail and clog. The periodic checks (smog inspections) are supposed to help owners keep track of problems and get them repaired.
     
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    so the parallel ones go inline from the air pump to the cylinder crossover tube, the other that is not inline goes to the cat? Seem to be missing the tube to the cats....
     
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    You got it. The pic that jrichker put up should be gold for ya.... any exhaust shop should be able to work up that tube for ya.
     
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