Roush saleen rip off
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Undoubtably we are pushrod guys, i've never been in a modular engined car, where i wanted the driver to stop and let me out. (i have a friend with a kb 03 that makes 651 to the wheels, and just doesn't feel the same).marcus95 said:Well, yes the "E" car motor is already built and has the fuel delivery but I don't see an "E" going for 20k anytime soon. I'm just looking at owning a real Saleen 99 and up and go as fast as I can for as cheap as I can. That was the idea.
Come on man, you and I are pushrod guys anyway. I'm into torque.
A pushrod with 650 to the wheels is border line insane.
But what i was saying anyway about the E, is that if the car is worth 35,000. On a regular 4.6 it would definetely take at least 6,000 (on the low end) to get the motor and fuel up to speed, so you are already up to around 27,000-30,000. Might as well have an E if that's the case.
Every once in a while i get a good look at a newer mustang, and have that itch to go newer, but thankfully it goes away quickly.
I'd also like to note for the 4.6 supercharged cobra lovers, that from a stand still, they SUCK on the street. (and most of them at the track too). 12 second foxes could be them to 115mph on the street, even the cobras that trap at 130mph.
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Wow My Post Turned Up To Be A Hit In The Market.i Still Think That Saleens Are Good Fun Cars To Drive And Yeah Cobra Has A Better Motor And A Blower But With The Right Mods On A 04 Sc Will Smoke A Z06 And A Cobra And A Lot More .the Mods Include 75mm Tb,lightning 90mm Mass Air Flow,42lb Injectors,focus Fuel Pump,2.9 Pully And A Computer Chip Tune You Push 380 Eazy To The Rear Thans To My New Buddy.so Thats All I Still Love My Car But Galphin Is An A Hole I Bought Cars From Them For Years I Told Them To F Off Lol
Wow My Post Turned Up To Be A Hit In The Market.i Still Think That Saleens Are Good Fun Cars To Drive And Yeah Cobra Has A Better Motor And A Blower But With The Right Mods On A 04 Sc Will Smoke A Z06 And A Cobra And A Lot More .the Mods Include 75mm Tb,lightning 90mm Mass Air Flow,42lb Injectors,focus Fuel Pump,2.9 Pully And A Computer Chip Tune You Push 380 Eazy To The Rear Thans To My New Buddy.so Thats All I Still Love My Car But Galphin Is An A Hole I Bought Cars From Them For Years I Told Them To F Off Lol
I have an '02 non-SC with 11,000 on it. I was wanting to "hop" it up but I wanted to do it right. No shortcuts whatsoever. I have a BBK cold air intake on it now and that is it. What would you fellas recommend me doing? As I stated I want it done right but I want anywhere from 375-450 HP if possible. Thanks for your help.
marcus95
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If you want that kind of rwhp you are going to need a poweradder for sure. Do searches on centrifical vs twin screw or roots or whipple or kenne bell blowers. You have a lot of options depending on how you want to make your power. You will need to upgrade your fuel system with a increased lph fuel pump and slightly bigger injectors. After that you are going to need to get a good tune. Look at other fellows same year car as yours signatures and look at their combo's. Most list their hp and trq ratings also.
Good luck
Good luck
saleenster
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Saleen value for Fox cars and 94 to 00 S351's have and will continue to have no problem bringing top dollar if its sharp
It was mentioned before, but perhaps not enough focus was directed to it, so I will remention that when a new body style is introduced, usually, there is a buzz around these new cars which brings buyers to the forefront. More times then not, these buyers are also the same buyers that have looked at older models, etc, so demand takes a hit for a short period of time. Mod motors are certainly a thing of the future and Ford is just now really digging in their bag of developments, so it may get even worse before it gets better for the Saleen collecter/owner.
I certainly agree the E model was not what Saleen had in mind when SVT revealed the 03 cobra...so these models might never really be worth big money cause we are living in a performance era and the Cobra is dominating the Ford market right now and will probably we the main discussion 20 yrs from now when performance is talked about standing around the camp fire...
I did not and still do not like the new Saleen. Phil Frank put to many before ideas into the current model. I really thought he would wiggle something up that would just stand out, but I dont believe he achieved this.
I thoughts on the 03/04 cobra, over 11 thousand of those suckers are rolling down the street, and beside the front air dame and the cobra emblem, it is sometimes difficult to tell its a cobra when its moving..where as a Saleen, there is no mistake. Cobra owners will always mention the price difference, and they are certainly right, but cobra owners buy their cars for the performance, Saleen owners like performance but looks are what we strive for imho.
Last thing on the E model series V blowers...they have the same capibility of a KB twin screw blower..in fact, they are make by the same company...22~25 lbs of boost is very achievible with higher octane and different pulley/tune...550~600 rwhp is certainly not out of the question, its just most E owners are nervous about upping boost on a limited production car
It was mentioned before, but perhaps not enough focus was directed to it, so I will remention that when a new body style is introduced, usually, there is a buzz around these new cars which brings buyers to the forefront. More times then not, these buyers are also the same buyers that have looked at older models, etc, so demand takes a hit for a short period of time. Mod motors are certainly a thing of the future and Ford is just now really digging in their bag of developments, so it may get even worse before it gets better for the Saleen collecter/owner.
I certainly agree the E model was not what Saleen had in mind when SVT revealed the 03 cobra...so these models might never really be worth big money cause we are living in a performance era and the Cobra is dominating the Ford market right now and will probably we the main discussion 20 yrs from now when performance is talked about standing around the camp fire...
I did not and still do not like the new Saleen. Phil Frank put to many before ideas into the current model. I really thought he would wiggle something up that would just stand out, but I dont believe he achieved this.
I thoughts on the 03/04 cobra, over 11 thousand of those suckers are rolling down the street, and beside the front air dame and the cobra emblem, it is sometimes difficult to tell its a cobra when its moving..where as a Saleen, there is no mistake. Cobra owners will always mention the price difference, and they are certainly right, but cobra owners buy their cars for the performance, Saleen owners like performance but looks are what we strive for imho.
Last thing on the E model series V blowers...they have the same capibility of a KB twin screw blower..in fact, they are make by the same company...22~25 lbs of boost is very achievible with higher octane and different pulley/tune...550~600 rwhp is certainly not out of the question, its just most E owners are nervous about upping boost on a limited production car
s281er238 said:
I would have to disagree with the Magnaflow sucking part-
www.mach1registry.com
look for the exhaust comparison, Magnaflow actually did quite well-
I just bought a fully loaded 04 21SC vert for $39,000. To me, for the power, seats for 4, sound, simplicity, looks, buildability,there's nothing better. I was looking at other verts and really, only the Audi S4 did it for me....at $60K. You don't buy cars to make money, they more or less all drop like a rock. Buy a Ferrari if you want little to no depreciation.
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marcus95 said:Yea, I agree.
Those mid 90's Supra's are enigma wrapped marvels. All of that h.p. that can be made from that 6. Amamzing!
Ok, I know bygone, S351 vs. 03/04 Cobra issue has been resolved. And I stayed out of it. It was hard to do. I knew Robert would dive back in eventually.
I love this vid.
http://www.undergroundracing.com/video/Saleen Flyby Small.wmv
That is what a properly tuned S351 can do to a kenne bell cobra on a roll. RPM's. What RPM's. Torque down low too!
Whosdady,
I want you to make some really good power with your car so you can love the power it can make like the looks. I know you are working on it. I love Cobra's too. I owned one also so now you know I have had both.
Here's the thing. In the long run your Saleen will eventually hold it's value better than any 03/04 Cobra. I promise. Sometimes we change our minds or budgets take us in a different direction too. I know you may not even own the car next year but here's what I think.
A 03/04 Cobra Saleen is going to cost way too much money anytime soon.
I love the fact that an "E" car is special but unless anyone who knows what to look for ( the hood ) visually on the outside and maybe the 14" brakes no one is ever going to see or know the difference between it and any other 99-04 Saleen besides the 04 center exhaust on the S/C's and the small difference in the wing design through the years.
Here is Marcus' recipe for the best of both worlds budget comparable to a Kenne Bell swap on a 03/04 Cobra.
Buy a clean original 99+ S281 N/A. Send the block out and get the bottom end of the short block forged. Have Fox Lake do a nice valve job on the heads. Purchase a Novi 2000.
That is it along with all of the supporting cast of detail parts. You will have a "real" Saleen, and I have seen a couple of really clean sub 35k mile cars for under 20K. It will hold it's value a bit better than most and you can make 600 rwhp all day long. Did anyone see what's- his- faces white S281 with that similar combo from Modular Powerhouse in 5.0 or MM&FF mag the other month?
Has anyone seen any of the videos of that guy ripping the hell out of that car. He really drives the sh#t out of it and it's dependable.
If I did not have so many projects going right now, that's exactly what I would be doing to a S281 N/A car.
Cheers
Yeah thats Schielers white Saleen. Ive got the blower now I just need the engine!!!! I had to trade in that Heaton M90, it just wasnt makin enough power. My 96 procharged GT pulled harder then that M90. I am looking forward to the Novi 2000!!!!!! Jake
Schielers Saleen Video http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6456
