This has already been done, several times over. I feel bad for Jim and Scott- Everyone takes out there emotions on THEM because they cant get ahold of the real A hole they need to direct there anger towards. Jim and Scott have nothing to do with the fact VT went under, if anything they kept them afloat as long as they could.
I know some people lost a lot of money, and that sucks. I wish all these threads would stop already..
But Jim didnt own either company before this one. VT went down due to the OWNER, SHM sucks because of teh OWNER.
if I worked for a company that was going down, or screwed people over, id leave too and wouldnt expect their problems to be transfered to me. Scott and Jim were just workers....sure they made it sound like they were in charge (IMO that was wrong), but they were not. Just middle men.
Id say let Jim start his own thing and see how it goes with HIM running it. Do you expect Jim to give this QTRPONY guy or even adrenln a free motor because of the company he used to work for didnt pay their bills? I do think Jim and Scott were in the wrong with what they did by covering it up....but in the end its on their old boss, and they were probably just hoping everything would work out.
Just my opinion from what I have seen. If im off, show some proof and let me know how Jim or scott personally screwed people over for self gain. I didnt bother reading all of that rediculously long thread on MF.
For years, I warned people not to deal with VT, that there was better options out there. VT's problems got to be bigger than I imagined they would. I do not like companies that outsource everything. Problems always arise and there is no accountability when they do. Everyone involved is a victim or so they would have you believe.
7 years ago, I was burned by a vendor that outsourced everything. After that was said and done, that was it for me dealing with vendors that outsourced their stuff. Never again have I or will I deal with a company like that and guess what, I haven't been burned again either.
My incident, I was only out a couple of hundred bucks. I was banned from 6 boards, 2 I was a regular member at for warning people not to deal with this vendor and some bashing of him regarding my incident. That vendor went on to rip off many more people and was eventually banned from most of the sites that he was a paid vendor at. Up to about 3 years after I was banned from those sites, I got "Thank You" and "I should have listened to you" PM's on other boards that I frequent because of the message passing I did regarding that vendor. I took that with some pride that I prevented a few from dealing with him and felt bad for those that got burned.
After that, you could say I started my questioning and "bashing" of VT and the vendors like them. Most of them all have horror stories, MMR, VT, SHM and I could go on.
Going back in time a bit, Scott Cushman paid for some of VT's customers stuff out of pocket. The second he decided to stop doing that, they should have stopped taking new orders. It would have saved a lot of the problems that are present now and there would be a lot less victims.
I could have taken the road by telling you all, I told you so and you deserve what you got. I am not doing that. I feel bad for those that got burned including Scott Cushman. I think it is good that Jim is doing his own thing now. However I do not believe that they should hide from their past. Perhaps and perhaps not, CMS is another VT in the making, time will tell. VT turned out worse than what SHM did. That said the warnings about CMS from past VT customers is fair until CMS proves otherwise.
