I am building a street / open track 66' coupe and I just threw on some granada front discs for now. What brakes do you guys recomend for track use? I would like to go Wilwood, but all the brakes I see on summit look like the "show car" brakes with the aluminum hubs. On a 65' fastback that weve got it has some nice wilwoods with some superlite calipers and that thing stops. What do you all recomend, and do I need to go to a 70' drum spindle?
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LMan
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why not the PBRs-to-vintage-spindle option? This forum has been alive with discussions about several avenues for at least a year....Mustangsteve, Ultrastang, Woodys Fairlane site link, etc
You also dont say what you budget is, or what sort of opentrack. That's, umm....kinda critical to know.
You also dont say what you budget is, or what sort of opentrack. That's, umm....kinda critical to know.
LMan
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I tracked my 67 FB all last season with PBRs and they worked well. Perfect? No, since its on the stock size rotor. But then I might have 125.00 in the entire setup.
If you want more then the next step would be the MS and Ultrastang kits to mount the 13" Cobra front calipers on the vintage spindle. Now you are in the 500-1000.00 territory, IIRC. You will also have to ditch your 15" rims.
A critical point is rotor cooling, no matter what you end up with. Air to the rotor is (nearly) free and makes a substantial difference in brake performance at the track.
Baer? Great brakes, but I have mortgage payments to make
If you want more then the next step would be the MS and Ultrastang kits to mount the 13" Cobra front calipers on the vintage spindle. Now you are in the 500-1000.00 territory, IIRC. You will also have to ditch your 15" rims.
A critical point is rotor cooling, no matter what you end up with. Air to the rotor is (nearly) free and makes a substantial difference in brake performance at the track.
Baer? Great brakes, but I have mortgage payments to make
Shakin66
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My vote is for Baer also, very complete kit and simply to install. I did the front and back but here is a picture of the fronts.
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d...t=Picture111.jpg&refPage=40&imgAnch=imgAnch46
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d...t=Picture111.jpg&refPage=40&imgAnch=imgAnch46
LMan
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66forfun said:
If you will reread, I never said they were overpriced, I implied expensive. In my skinflint world, four-figures for any car-related item is cause to reflect carefully. It makes no difference if they are being sold at half-cost, if you cannot afford it (or have different priorities), then you cannot afford it.
Baers are great for those who wish to spend that amount. And they are complete. I have no issues with that.
Some wish to save money and /or have more time than money, and /or enjoy the challenge of the work, and thus seek less expensive, albeit more complex solutions. This market is what keeps people like Ultrastang, MustangSteve, and a host of vintage-Mustang forums in high cotton.
If the thought of asking some questions on a forum is the tipping point that sends you to a $1200.00 brake kit, have at it. I won't be joining you, however.
LMan
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brin0357 said:
The consensus is that the 13" rotor requires at least a 16" wheel. I have no personal experience to draw upon, however.
"If the thought of asking some questions on a forum is the tipping point that sends you to a $1200.00 brake kit, have at it. I won't be joining you, however"
no. actually throwing $800 worth of parts at a brake system and not having them work well sent me to a $1200 kit that I could find zero complaints about.
no. actually throwing $800 worth of parts at a brake system and not having them work well sent me to a $1200 kit that I could find zero complaints about.
On my '68 which I drive at Open Tracks at both Thunderhill and Sears Point I'm running the Cobra retrofit using MustangSteve's brackets along with 10x2.5 rear drums and they work very well. There's no comparison to the stock 11" '70 discs I had on their previously which would be billowing smoke after a 20 minute session at Thunderhill. As far as the spindles are concerned, they aren't necessary but the '70 spindles are preferrable because they have the larger pins and bearings but on a '66 they would also change your geometry similar to Granadas.
68Restoman
In Car Video from Thunderhill
In Car Video from Sears Point
68Restoman
In Car Video from Thunderhill
In Car Video from Sears Point
ultrastang
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68restoman said:On my '68 which I drive at Open Tracks at both Thunderhill and Sears Point I'm running the Cobra retrofit using MustangSteve's brackets along with 10x2.5 rear drums and they work very well. There's no comparison to the stock 11" '70 discs I had on their previously which would be billowing smoke after a 20 minute session at Thunderhill. As far as the spindles are concerned, they aren't necessary but the '70 spindles are preferrable because they have the larger pins and bearings but on a '66 they would also change your geometry similar to Granadas. Note that
68Restoman
In Car Video from Thunderhill
In Car Video from Sears Point
Fortunately for the '65/'66 owners, the solution is just on the horizon, since Degins will soon be offering Granada spindles that have the correct '65/'66 geometry designed into the beefier spindles.
http://www.discbrakeswap.com/
ultrastang
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LMan said:
...I only wish that I was " in high cotton", then I could quit my day job, which is starting to suck more and more with the ever increasing work load and hours they keep putting on us.The Baer setups and all the other professional offerings are nice, complete systems that don't require much sourcing of components from various places to have all the components for a complete installation. --And for that (and the name on the product), you will pay a lot.
'Ultrastang' is not some big company. The conversion brackets I offer is just something I do on the side. I'm just a 40-year old guy who works hard for a living, and who's been into Mustangs since I was 13. I'm just like most of you. When I have some extra money to spend on my '68, I have to make those dollars count.
The Cobra rotors and calipers I have on the front (and rear) of my '68 are the very same components Baer and other professional brake companys offer. The only difference is the front calipers on my '68 don't say 'Baer' on them, and secondly, my setup wasn't nearly as expensive for me to put together, vs. what I would have had to shell out for the Baer brakes.
I spread the cost out over time when I was putting my brake setup together. I bought the calipers one month, the rotors a month or two later, and so on until I had everything I needed to put it all together. I don't think Baer, or any other big-name company will allow you to piece out buying their systems that way. -it's all or nothing, and all the money spent at once to get their parts.
Some people don't like to "hunt" or "gather" parts to put a system together, but the only gathering I had to do on my setup was to get some brake hoses, 3/16" brake tubing, bolts, and some miscellaneous parts --all of which I got at the same place --O'reilley's. All the other components, I ordered while sitting in front of my computer that was delivered right to my door.
Front: (PBR 'Bullitt' caliper & 13" Cobra drilled/slotted rotor)
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6626/g2con68004mk6.jpg
Rear: ('Bullitt' rear caliper & 11.65" ventilated Cobra drilled/slotted rotor)
http://www.ultrastang.com/images/2006/cobrabrakehosemount0243cf_2.jpg
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I defintely wont be doing rear discs, because 10 x 2.5s's work to well. If I run the 13" Wilwoods (which I would like to) since I have the calipers, they do clear 15" rims which is sweet. As of now I am beefing up my suspension, welded up the a arms, 720's cut and a 1.5" drop on top of that.
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