holler said:Blah, blah, blah. numerous other sites have posted this supposed survey. not one pic or shred of evidence has been produced that supports it.
Post the cleared $150 check/receipt/documentation you signed you participated in this "survey".
jealous? ha ha. I just seek the truth.
RoushMan3 said:
Wow, you're thick man
We've been over:
1) the fact that these types of surveys don't allow any pictures to be taken. This is just common sense.
2) the fact that many people have mentioned that they are paid in cash to participate in these surveys. I have participated in a couple comsumer surveys and both times I was paid in cash.
And nobody cares whether you beleive this is true or not, so you're better off keeping that to yourself bud
Seriously, what's up with the fan boys here? It's a solid rear axle, which is just not going to work as well as a IRS... what do they expect?02roush said:Also, everyone got bent out of shape because I said the rear-end was loose. Well, compared to the other cars, IT WAS!
Was the car you drove optioned-out? Or was it a base model? Are we talking leather, auto, etc etc? I think you said Shaker 1000, right?After, we went inside to fill out a few more questions. One was " Would a price of 28,995 for car W(the 05) seem too high, low, or just right?" I liked that.
a buddy of mine temped at a marketing company that catered to the big car makers.holler said:1) why not, the car has already been photographed from top to bottom, and the other cars are already in production. I find it hard to beleive not one person managed to snap shot from their camera phone and not one person OUTSIDE this survey managed to snap a picture from their camera phone while these cars were being tested, yeah right, rather convienient.
2. Bullshiet, no legitimate research firm would keep thousands of dollars of cash on hand. they cut checks. It would be rather convienient they offered cash, huh?
3) I don't care that you think nobody cares. there is just no evidence or facts present that support this supposed survey. One would think, one should know better how easy it is to impersonate events or people on the internet.
As a Jerry Mcquire turned lawyer would say "Show me the evidence!"
"so you're better off keeping that to yourself bud"
and why would I? you gonna beat me up, lol. Your threats belittle you, please...
AS I SAY AGAIN, PROVE IT!
holler said:1) why not, the car has already been photographed from top to bottom, and the other cars are already in production. I find it hard to beleive not one person managed to snap shot from their camera phone and not one person OUTSIDE this survey managed to snap a picture from their camera phone while these cars were being tested, yeah right, rather convienient.
2. Bullshiet, no legitimate research firm would keep thousands of dollars of cash on hand. they cut checks. It would be rather convienient they offered cash, huh?
3) I don't care that you think nobody cares. there is just no evidence or facts present that support this supposed survey. One would think, one should know better how easy it is to impersonate events or people on the internet.
As a Jerry Mcquire turned lawyer would say "Show me the evidence!"
"so you're better off keeping that to yourself bud"
and why would I? you gonna beat me up, lol. Your threats belittle you, please...
AS I SAY AGAIN, PROVE IT!
SVTdriver said:While you may have driven the car. There are a few discrepancies in your story. That make it sound just a bit untrue.
1) Teal is not a color for the 05. And EVERY test mule so far has some in standard colors. The only one that I have seen that was not. Was the titanium colored show car.
2) You seem to not be able to positively identify a 350Z or could it have been a G35. In either case it should have been identifiable.
3) Looked like a GTO? Was there tape over the embroidery of the seats? Or over the GTO logo on the guages?
4) Comparing it to others in similar price range. If it was the GTO. Does that mean they are going to price it at or slightly over $30k. Or what is the definition of price range. The rx-8 msrp is $25k-$27k. The stripped down no option base model 350z starts at $27k. And the GTO msrp $33.5k. This is an $8k price range.
5) and most importantly. This sounds just like a near repeat of a story on themustangsource. With some details changed.
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=3621
Cam75 said:I see your points. But I have heard or being paid for marketing type surveys and such, and maybe Ford wasnt performing this for production reasons, bur marketing/advertising reasons.
Im going to be purchasing a car in the next few months, and my two finalists are the Mustang and the Rx 8. I was looking at the 350z, buts its to impractical for me, and the G35 coupe is a little out of my price range.
About the teal, maybe it was the legend lime?
Who knows it if or not. Who cares really, its not going to affect if anyone here buys one or not. We wouldnt be on this forum if we all didnt love it already.
My .02.
The study consisted of 8 people, $150 bucks each, total $1200. How is that "thousandS of dollars of cash on hand"? That's nothing, no big deal. Most small businesses have that much hanging out in the petty cash drawer. Alot of people carry that much in their wallet on a regular basis. They do cash in order to maintain anonymity. As said before, car nuts would FLOOD these marketing research companies with harassing phone calls and emails trying to get "on a list" to be part of one of these groups, if they knew who they were and where they were. These companies really don't want anybody to know who they are. A check would have an issuers name on it. So they pay cash, totally non-traceable.2. Bullshiet, no legitimate research firm would keep thousands of dollars of cash on hand. they cut checks. It would be rather convienient they offered cash, huh?
RICKS said:The study consisted of 8 people, $150 bucks each, total $1200. How is that "thousandS of dollars of cash on hand"? That's nothing, no big deal. Most small businesses have that much hanging out in the petty cash drawer. Alot of people carry that much in their wallet on a regular basis. They do cash in order to maintain anonymity. As said before, car nuts would FLOOD these marketing research companies with harassing phone calls and emails trying to get "on a list" to be part of one of these groups, if they knew who they were and where they were. These companies really don't want anybody to know who they are. A check would have an issuers name on it. So they pay cash, totally non-traceable.
And no, they wouldn't allow cameras. Why? Because why should they? They don't OWE you the opportunity to photodocument their study. You're there to evaluate the cars, not to take a bunch of shots of new Mustangs next to competetive iron, where you could potentially go on the web and post them along with the claim "the new Mustang sucks. I drove it, and here's the proof....and the new Z kicks it's butt"... (that's not what Roushman said, but it could potentially happen). If I were a business contracted by Ford to do a study, I'd keep the cameras out, and Ford probably requires it. It's pure common sense. I guess some people may be rabid shutter-bugs, but I myself wouldn't be foaming at the mouth to take a bunch of pictures, and if it had been me participating in one of these tests, I wouldn't have had the slightest inclination to bother bringing in a camera, or sneaking one in. It's not that big of a deal, just flogging some cars that will be all over the roads in a few months anyways. Interesting information now that we've gotten a full accounting of what at first had the earmarking's of a B.S. thread, but not exactly the second coming of Christ. I personally apologize to Roushman for giving him such a hard time. He just didn't have much credibility right out of the gate, but once he took the time to get to the details, it sounds as if he did what he did and saw what he saw and made an easy 150. Was his objective analysis or chassis dynamics experience on-par with what we might get from Michael Schumacher?? Unfortunately no, but I can wait for the pros at the magazines to give me their opinions, and eventually I'll just test drive the thing myself..
Ford doesn't have to buy the Mustangs (obviously), and it's very common for Ford to have competetive cars already in their ownership already, that they used during R&D for comparison and for benchmarking. John Coletti had Ford buy a couple Ferrari 360 Modena's for benchmarking when developing the GT40. In short, they already OWN the cars before they loan them to the marketing research firm that's doing these tests.So you honestly think they would go out of their way to buy 5 test cars at about 25 grand a pop
digging the hole deeper, huh?holler said:So you honestly think they would go out of their way to buy 5 test cars at about 25 grand a pop, pay these individuals 150 each and only get the opinions of 8 individuals? This kind of test would have to be performed at least 10 times to get any remotely valid statistical and qualatative data.
Three factors are essential for good experimental design:
First, proper controls must be incorporated into each experiment. A control group receives the same treatment as the experimental group except that the factor being tested is applied to the experimental group only, not to the control.
Second, experiments must be repeated enough times to allow comparisons between experimental and control groups. It is through such repetition that data can be compared statistically and a high degree of accuracy obtained.
Third, experiments must be designed to avoid bias. A researcher must strive to prevent personal opinion about a hypothesis from influencing how tests are made and must also be award of the bias that any technique or instrument may introduce in the outcome of an experiment.
I don't mean to piss anyone off, I just find these supposed tests pointless especially when we are so close to seeing them in production. That's why I am asking for any sort of documentation validating this research. Is that so much to ask?
Contrarian said:... I'm a guy. I don't know the difference between teal, lime green, aqua, and navy. If you do, hand in your official guy membership card.