Turning a 4.6 into a 5.4
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billfisher
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LaserRed01GT
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This guy has already said that he wanted to do this with a power adder, preferably a blower. 600 to the tire with a blower does not cost a fortune and is very simple to do on pump gas. So all that nonsense that you just verbally vomited is absolutely worthless to this thread.
Never heard of a 3.75" 8 bolt crank huh Bill, not surprising. The 3.75" 8 bolt forged crank is forged and cut by the exact same company that produces Ford's Cobra crank. I'll let you do some more googling so you can learn. Lot's of people in the racing world just refer to them as an 8 bolt 3.75 Cobra crank.
billfisher
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no i have heard them call eagle or any other brand 3.75". just because it has 8 bolts doesn'y make it a cobra crank. my crank has 8 bolts.
billfisher
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the only reason i see you posting is to drum up business. you post the names of those guys in the racing world that call aftermarket cranks that are 3.75" cobra cranks, and i will ask them myself. a cobra crank came in a cobra not every 8 bolt by some company. tryin to sound like some kind of expert by saying 600 to the tires is a breeze is exactly my point. stage 3 sallen in my club with 3v makes 450 rwhp. how much more money are you trying to make over that.
how much will he spend to get 600 rwhp? on pump? exactly... i mean exactly what combo. and i am sure it all needs to be purchased from you.
how much will he spend to get 600 rwhp? on pump? exactly... i mean exactly what combo. and i am sure it all needs to be purchased from you.
i'm going forg...of course that's the careful way to go...and from there i'm not to sure that's y i was wondering if it's better to go 5.4 or just stay 4.6 but it looks like i'm going to stay 4.6 but after that i'm wondering what power adder to throw in that combo with it.....but it looks like people are saying that kb isn't the best choice maybe i should go D-1SC....opinions.....
maybe i missed something... but isnt this 4.6 to 5.4 which would be seeking power all motor.. it was interjected later on that the power adder would be easier. i tihnk bill is right op topic....
cobra crank is just that a cobra crank... otherwise its forged 8 bolt.... if its a different stroke then its just a forged 8 bolt stroker... misnomer for the win.
Torinalth
cobra crank is just that a cobra crank... otherwise its forged 8 bolt.... if its a different stroke then its just a forged 8 bolt stroker... misnomer for the win.
Torinalth
LaserRed01GT
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See what I mean.
Just be careful with who you listen to on this board. However, you sound like an intelligent enough guy to see through the BS.tor....ur right i did start off as a 4.6 to 5.4 but someone asked pretty much what i wanted to do and that's how it came to me trying to make 550-600rwhp and from there everything else came about sorry if i confused you but that's my goal just to have a streetable car with that much hp...if u have input i'm all open to read...my budget is about 15,000
billfisher
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again my apologies to all but one in here.
a 5.4 4v navi with the right stuff is a breeze to 600rwhp boosted.
a 5l stroker is just a little harder 4v boosted.
2v? not really a breeze. kb low drag, novi2000, procharger, and 4v is what i call a breeze.
i guess it depends on what is considered a breeze.
now i will give one thing to c******t. he may be an innovator. i say may. if that's the case and he has a breakthrough then maybe he is right.
i still need to know exactly what combo is a breeze to 600rwhp pump.
i takes all johnny lightning can do to get a 5.4 2v to 600 rwhp pump.
a little less for 4.6 2v .
but a breeze? that's wrong to say.
a 5.4 4v navi with the right stuff is a breeze to 600rwhp boosted.
a 5l stroker is just a little harder 4v boosted.
2v? not really a breeze. kb low drag, novi2000, procharger, and 4v is what i call a breeze.
i guess it depends on what is considered a breeze.
now i will give one thing to c******t. he may be an innovator. i say may. if that's the case and he has a breakthrough then maybe he is right.
i still need to know exactly what combo is a breeze to 600rwhp pump.
i takes all johnny lightning can do to get a 5.4 2v to 600 rwhp pump.
a little less for 4.6 2v .
but a breeze? that's wrong to say.
billfisher
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in my car club and i mean people i talk to every two weeks or more the following:
03 cobra convertable. pullied,TB,CAI,longtubes,exhaust,tuned by RWTD and spraying= 520rwhp.
05 stang KB all the boltons i think 9psi =450 rwhp
not really a breeze.
03 cobra convertable. pullied,TB,CAI,longtubes,exhaust,tuned by RWTD and spraying= 520rwhp.
05 stang KB all the boltons i think 9psi =450 rwhp
not really a breeze.
LaserRed01GT
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No it's not wrong to say. I can be done EASILY. There are quite a few guys on various Mustang boards including one on here that are making over 700 RWHP on a KB. Just the KB 2.6H has been proven to make over 750 RWHP on a 4.6 2V on pump gas. There are some Modular Powerhouse cars that have made over 550 to the tire on just a little S-trim. There are several Pro Charged 2 valves that I know of that are over 750 on pump gas. 600 to the tire on a D-1SC or a F-1 is easy as pie my friend. Just takes money, time, and dedication. All of which it sounds like this guy posseses.
Keep your posts coming billfisher, I am starting to look forward to reading your posts then giving you an education.
billfisher
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you absolutely can get 600 rwhp.
1. define what you consider drivable
2. what is the intended use? daily,occasional,track
3.budget?
i recommend calling JDM engineering. they are doing an all out 5.4 3v for a friend. and they expect 630 rwhp+ and 900+ at the track with race gas,tune change, and pulley.
the motor will be daily driven. he spent 12 grand the last i talked.
if you are serious, they can be trusted to get it right. i takes time, but expect great results. another good source is Tim at MPH. lastly AL papito at BOSS330.com. they really have the fastest cars a NMRA. they know what it takes. asking in here can loose your wallet of money you cannot replace. stick to the big names.
1. define what you consider drivable
2. what is the intended use? daily,occasional,track
3.budget?
i recommend calling JDM engineering. they are doing an all out 5.4 3v for a friend. and they expect 630 rwhp+ and 900+ at the track with race gas,tune change, and pulley.
the motor will be daily driven. he spent 12 grand the last i talked.
if you are serious, they can be trusted to get it right. i takes time, but expect great results. another good source is Tim at MPH. lastly AL papito at BOSS330.com. they really have the fastest cars a NMRA. they know what it takes. asking in here can loose your wallet of money you cannot replace. stick to the big names.
billfisher
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billfisher
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i bow only to the MODULAR gods and people i respect in here and a few other sites.
you laserred01gt are nobody.
go to the companies i listed. they know. stay away from SHM.
you laserred01gt are nobody.
go to the companies i listed. they know. stay away from SHM.
15k... 600.... streatable.... forged bottom end with upgraded oil system, ported heads with stage 2/3 cams, and i personally think you should ditch both posi and centri blowers and just hit the turbo scene.... this will allow both room to grown and the ability to change out power bands for DD/track. you will be needing a multibank chip with multiple tunes of course... but not that bad... anyhow...
with the turbo choices there are really only 2 in my opinion... the large bore single kit by hellion, and the twin kit from MPH (i think its the HP kit). think its gijoe that has the thats throwing down 750 on race gas and some odd 580-620 (havn't followed in a while) on pump... however i heard he was thinking of going back to the 2.8kb Tim had fabbed up by ken.... anyhow...
the other shot is the Procharger D trim, or paxton 2000.... but honestly every time i hear people running with them they have huge belt isues at that level.... after about 500 its just easier to go turbo. both hellion and the HP kits are great... i personaly would go hellion and grab the 76BB one they offer. if i had 15k i'd go NA with a nice 5.4BB 4v... but thats personal preference... not looking for huge power just 450+ and different
take it for what its worth, after all i'm just a suspension guy.
Torinalth
with the turbo choices there are really only 2 in my opinion... the large bore single kit by hellion, and the twin kit from MPH (i think its the HP kit). think its gijoe that has the thats throwing down 750 on race gas and some odd 580-620 (havn't followed in a while) on pump... however i heard he was thinking of going back to the 2.8kb Tim had fabbed up by ken.... anyhow...
the other shot is the Procharger D trim, or paxton 2000.... but honestly every time i hear people running with them they have huge belt isues at that level.... after about 500 its just easier to go turbo. both hellion and the HP kits are great... i personaly would go hellion and grab the 76BB one they offer. if i had 15k i'd go NA with a nice 5.4BB 4v... but thats personal preference... not looking for huge power just 450+ and different
take it for what its worth, after all i'm just a suspension guy.Torinalth
15k... 600.... streatable.... forged bottom end with upgraded oil system, ported heads with stage 2/3 cams, and i personally think you should ditch both posi and centri blowers and just hit the turbo scene.... this will allow both room to grown and the ability to change out power bands for DD/track. you will be needing a multibank chip with multiple tunes of course... but not that bad... anyhow...
with the turbo choices there are really only 2 in my opinion... the large bore single kit by hellion, and the twin kit from MPH (i think its the HP kit). think its gijoe that has the thats throwing down 750 on race gas and some odd 580-620 (havn't followed in a while) on pump... however i heard he was thinking of going back to the 2.8kb Tim had fabbed up by ken.... anyhow...
the other shot is the Procharger D trim, or paxton 2000.... but honestly every time i hear people running with them they have huge belt isues at that level.... after about 500 its just easier to go turbo. both hellion and the HP kits are great... i personaly would go hellion and grab the 76BB one they offer. if i had 15k i'd go NA with a nice 5.4BB 4v... but thats personal preference... not looking for huge power just 450+ and different
Torinalth
i do agree with you i was orginally going to go twin turbo from HP but i've read on different forums that they take to long to send parts out and etc....the other issue i was running against was being emissions legal and i was told/read that they're not so that was the other issue i have...especially being in the military and having to drive on the base and all...if you can recommend a good one that i can get to stay legal please advise...thank you...
