+1. just because i may not like a high-revving screamer doesn't mean the guy who does is a jackass. it just means we're diff. all he's saying.
Yep. I agree with that totally. Oh, and the race thing I'll take as a compliment.
+1. just because i may not like a high-revving screamer doesn't mean the guy who does is a jackass. it just means we're diff. all he's saying.
I have this same debate with my honda loving friend. He seems to feel he can beat my if he hits a million RPM...But truth be told to get to 7K rpm we all most pass 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000 , 5000 and 6000RPM first.
Nothing can beat the feeling of ripping them back loose from a hooked up roll as the car really starts to pull.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand? We can't simplify the TQ concept anymore for you. If you strap YOUR engine to an auto with the same gearing as another guy with more low end TQ, your car will feel and be slow compared to the other.
My 306 put out more low end than your 331 and even that felt slow. As to your car beating mine that's a whole nother story and you're spitting against the wind kid. I am at least the same rwhp as you and not even getting started compared to your radical mods. But I know a guy with a Honda that will run you if you are interested. Its a track vs street debate and I think we are all saying the same thing. You are just upset because not everyone agrees with your definition. So get over it and move on man. Everyone has their own preference. That's all we are saying.
With my street tires (315/35 F1 GS-D3) my car would break loose at the top of 2nd gear around 5800 rpm. Oh yeah, I also make 400rwtq at 3000 rpm.
With my street tires (315/35 F1 GS-D3) my car would break loose at the top of 2nd gear around 5800 rpm. Oh yeah, I also make 400rwtq at 3000 rpm.
And my car with less torque has sent me sideways completely through 3rd gear with my 315 Nitto Drag radials. Oh yea, I make 300rwtq at 3,000rpms
jesus it is constant defense mode...i think if he said hp is more important and torque is overrated you would swap sides just to argue...
Somebody already put LS1 heads on a 5.0. I saw pictures on the net of it awhile back. They modified a carbuerated Ford Intake to make it fit. I can't find any of the pics now, but if you do a search you'll find all the forums where people talked about it.
Kurt
I think torque and horsepower are only considered meanlingless below 3,000RPM to those who aren't making it. Kind of like when the teacher hands out suckers to the kids in class and she runs out before she gets to the last kid...at which point he starts pouting with the whole "I don't care if you all got suckers...I didn't want one anyway", attitude.
Yeah, I make 630 ft. lbs of torque at the wheels at 3000rpms. I guess low end torque only means something if your car is so slow it can't get up in the rpms fast enough. If you have an engine that makes decent power, the time you spend below 3000rpms is so minimal, the difference in torque is nominal. If launch a car below 3000rpms on a race tire, you're gonna bogg. If you bogg, especially on the bottle, there's a good chance you're going to break something. If you are on street tires, all that low end torque is just going to make smoke clouds. That's why I say torque below 3000rpms is meaningless.
Kurt
have you people ever heard the statement that ET is a function of torque while trap speed is a function of horsepower?
torque wins races, not horsepower
Yeah, I make 630 ft. lbs of torque at the wheels at 3000rpms. I guess low end torque only means something if your car is so slow it can't get up in the rpms fast enough. If you have an engine that makes decent power, the time you spend below 3000rpms is so minimal, the difference in torque is nominal. If launch a car below 3000rpms on a race tire, you're gonna bogg. If you bogg, especially on the bottle, there's a good chance you're going to break something. If you are on street tires, all that low end torque is just going to make smoke clouds. That's why I say torque below 3000rpms is meaningless.
Kurt
Kurt you are arguing a losing battle. You can't understand what you just said until you have a fast car.