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When I was at Tim's shop and they were talking with the DSG GT owner on Saturday, I think they were talking some high numbers. We'll see soon enough.
-Jason
-Jason
Reading your post has given me the butterflies. I'm having my KB kit installed and should be ready by Friday. At least you have the option of going to a tuner and have your car dyno-tuned. Here in Puerto Rico, I don't have that option, and hence will have to rely on the KB tune. I just hope I don't run onto any of the problems described in your post. From what I can see, your problems are temperature related. The average temperature in PR is 85 F all year long, so I hope that will help the performance of my KB kit.Red Dragon said:Great numbers!
I had my beast in at the Ford dealer for 4 hours to have them run as many diagnostics as they could run. The dealer sells Cobras, Lightnings, and Saleens. They know about blowers and such so I thought that it would be a good place to bring it. Most dealers would not even open the hood of a blown car. I had some issues with the car when it was new that never got resolved, so I wanted to be sure that there were no Ford related problems before I pursued other avenues.
After 4 hours, they could not find anything Ford related that would cause my "hitching" problem while cruising and the detonation at low outside temperatures. EVERYTHING checked out fine. The mechanic did notice a slight anomaly, however. All of the Ford testing equipment showed no problems, but the Snap-On diagnostic tool would show an occasional miss. Sometimes it would be cylinder #1, then it would be #5&6, etc. He said he never saw that type of thing happen before (difference between his testing equipment). They ran a balance compression test and that checked out fine as well. The mechanic said it was still possible that there could be an ignition problem, but he could not pinpoint anything.
He also said the detonation is definately WAAAAAY too bad! He was very concerned with that. I know what makes it detonate, so I keep out of it. But when it is cold, there are getting to be too many places that it will detonate. The mechanic also reflashed the computer (had to remove chip first). The dealer was very good to me and I felt good that I have found a place that I can take my car when it needs work.
I called Kenne Bell last week about this issue and they said that they would talk it over amoungst themselves and call me back. So far, no call. I think they are stumped.
After seeing this post, I am inclined to find a tuner to see if they can figure out what the problem is. I will still be calling KB to see if they will help me. I did my part in replacing every component I can think of and for bringing the car to a good Ford dealer for 4 hours. Now they need to pony-up to help me with their product. The car should not run this way. It is good to see the good numbers and the good running of the other KB'd cars here. It gives me hope that mine will be fixable.
Oh, the mechanic also said that even thought the coil stress tests showed all good coils, that one or some could still be marginal. He said that I might want to try replacing the COPs with some aftermarket ones. Does anybody know any good brands to get?
The mechanic also checked the plugs and said that the car was running too lean. Because the KB chip controls that, he can't do anything about that. The tips where white.
With all of that said, do you other KB guys get ANY detonation or any hitching at all? The hitching occurs while cruising at between 30 and 50 MPH. The detonation occurs mostly when the outside temp is lower than 55 degrees. Removing the EGR vacuum hose seems to stop the hitching. All EGR components have been replaced.
The KB blower is a good product, but KB needs to step forward to help those of us that do not live in the tropics. Whenever I call them and they say they will call back, they never do. I don't know if they are just plain stumped or if they don't really care to call back. I have resisted going to a tuner because of the expense. It will cost me $600 to have it done at Kennedy's. That may be my only option if I can't get this resolved.
I would like to point out that KB said that nobody else could tune a KB blower better than themselves. That does not look to be true anymore after seeing these numbers. I am impressed with that tune.
el_kid_1 said:Reading your post has given me the butterflies. I'm having my KB kit installed and should be ready by Friday. At least you have the option of going to a tuner and have your car dyno-tuned. Here in Puerto Rico, I don't have that option, and hence will have to rely on the KB tune. I just hope I don't run onto any of the problems described in your post. From what I can see, your problems are temperature related. The average temperature in PR is 85 F all year long, so I hope that will help the performance of my KB kit.
Red Dragon said:...I called Kenne Bell last week about this issue and they said that they would talk it over amoungst themselves and call me back. So far, no call. I think they are stumped...
...The mechanic also checked the plugs and said that the car was running too lean. Because the KB chip controls that, he can't do anything about that. The tips where white...
...With all of that said, do you other KB guys get ANY detonation or any hitching at all? The hitching occurs while cruising at between 30 and 50 MPH. The detonation occurs mostly when the outside temp is lower than 55 degrees. Removing the EGR vacuum hose seems to stop the hitching. All EGR components have been replaced...
The KB blower is a good product, but KB needs to step forward to help those of us that do not live in the tropics. Whenever I call them and they say they will call back, they never do. I don't know if they are just plain stumped or if they don't really care to call back. I have resisted going to a tuner because of the expense. It will cost me $600 to have it done at Kennedy's. That may be my only option if I can't get this resolved.
I would like to point out that KB said that nobody else could tune a KB blower better than themselves. That does not look to be true anymore after seeing these numbers. I am impressed with that tune.
Is the motor in the car already?SmithAtlanta said:I just saw my first 2 valve Kenne Bell blower live and in person today and it looks pretty nice.
Tim(Cobra Killer) has a forged, stroked out, 4.6L car that is getting a KB twin screw put on this week
***KBC@KB said:Hey Red Dragon.
And as far as the dealer saying it's too lean; no one, I mean no one (short of a Nascar crew chief) will ever convince me that by looking at a spark plug that the engine's too lean.
I agree on the dealer issue, they do not understand a superchaged car enough to know what is going on, but to say that only a Nascar crewchief would be the only one who can tell if it is running lean by looking at a plug is plain hogwash.
I am not stating, I could tell. I don't know enough about it, but there are many very capable people out there who can tell by looking at a plug if it is running too lean.
We know Bob Kennedy personally and he is a good guy. He may be able to help you find your problem, but it will be unrelated to tuning. I would tell Bob to leave the chip alone and look for the real problem.
Talk about jumping to conclusions? Sorry, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY is that perfect to say that some of his problems might not be related to tuning. Are you out there on site doing data aquisition?
And "pointing out" that we said nobody else could tune a KB blower better than us still holds.
Pretty gosh darn big headed, aren't you. What makes you think there aren't capable people out there other then KB who can tune a KB blown car.
I would caution anyone purchasing a kit about "re-tuning" the chip that comes with our supercharger: "There's more to it than adjusting timing and fuel at WOT."
No sh*it sherlock. Again, there are many capable tuners out there, and why do you continue to think that you are the only one who can tune a KB product. I guess you are tuning all those 650rwhp '03 Cobras out there, huh?
At any rate, my offer still holds. Email me personally at [email protected]. You started out being a good advocate of Kenne Bell. We'd like to keep it that way. Have a safe and happy holiday.
Regards,
Ken
Ken, I am glad to see you come on here to try and make things right, but many of your statements are pretty damn arrogant. You might want to re-think before you type, because I would have a hard time buying a product from a company who spokesman comes off not trying to defend his company, but rather looking down your nose at people.
I'd like to see you tell the many capable tuners out there they have no clue how to tune a KB equipped cars.
Mabe next time you could be a little more humble.
DC-GT said:I know I am sticking my neck out here, but,,,,
Wow, I didn't see it that way at all. I think all he was trying to say was that he has the most experience with his product...
Text is hard to see in the light of context and is very hard to discern sometimes. I thought he was defensive but still trying to help...
Of all the products I have have seen offered for our stangs, I have to say he has done a "TON" of testing on his product. He stands behind it from what I Have seen, and it really puts out. 420 rwhp and 460 rwtq is nothing short of fantastic for a stock block.
I appreciate his wanting to make it "right" with his customer, it is rare where I am from.
Bo
Not yet, Micool. I think there was a slight hiccup but they had resolved it yesterday and I bet the engine will be in the car by this weekend. Jeff wants to do the KB install himself since he has a chrome one on the way. By the way I was thumbing through the install guide and it looked pretty detailed.micool said:Is the motor in the car already?
I don't think Kenne Bell can tune for every setup, though. No company can. It's just not financially viable to go out and buy every part just to test on a dyno. That's why we have tuners. On the issue with Red Dragon, I agree with you 100%. He needs to work his problem out with KB before blasting them online.....B C said:I think everyone needs to take it easy here. Text messages can not convey intent.
If Ken was being defensive maybe it's because this should be handled differently. I wouldn't appreciate the things Red Dragon has posted in a public forum either. I don't think this is the best way to go about problems like this. Especially an isolated problem. His hitching problem has been in his car from day one, before the KB. He has posted about it many times.
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=340243
I think you need to reread Ken's post. He didn't say no one else could read a spark plug and tell if it was lean. He said that no one could convince him other than a crew chief that just by looking at a spark plug you could tell it was lean.
I don't know if you have seen how a lot of tuners tune but a dyno and a wideband has nothing on the 747 cockpit type of instrumentation that Kenne Bell uses to tune. If I had my own supercharger company I would hope no one could tune my product better than I could. Especially when they work with the product everyday 10 hours plus a day for what, 14 straight years? Sure other tuners can get more hp out of the car, that doesn't make the tune better.
B C said:I think everyone needs to take it easy here. Text messages can not convey intent.
If Ken was being defensive maybe it's because this should be handled differently. I wouldn't appreciate the things Red Dragon has posted in a public forum either. I don't think this is the best way to go about problems like this. Especially an isolated problem. His hitching problem has been in his car from day one, before the KB. He has posted about it many times.
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=340243
I think you need to reread Ken's post. He didn't say no one else could read a spark plug and tell if it was lean. He said that no one could convince him other than a crew chief that just by looking at a spark plug you could tell it was lean.
I don't know if you have seen how a lot of tuners tune but a dyno and a wideband has nothing on the 747 cockpit type of instrumentation that Kenne Bell uses to tune. If I had my own supercharger company I would hope no one could tune my product better than I could. Especially when they work with the product everyday 10 hours plus a day for what, 14 straight years? Sure other tuners can get more hp out of the car, that doesn't make the tune better.
B C said:Sure other tuners can get more hp out of the car, that doesn't make the tune better.
RedGTvert said:but to push this hogwash about KB only knowing how to tune a KB car is bullsh*it, and I know you are smart enough not to buy into that crap.