Nascar

[oh9mustang]

Wraith413
If you saw that race then you know that what I said was just what dale waltrop said ,he pitted the same as everyone, and the announcers were all talking about how he could not make it and that it would be imposable.
You made my point about the rule book, thanks. And again it wasn't me that first spoke those words about changing the rules in the middle of a race or rules being different for different teams, I am just the messenger, The announcers said those things.
The reason the general public can't get a rule book is because then even you could read that GM was getting special treatment, (well maybe not you).

The computer I was on at work is a very basic set up, (for anyone use) it has no Cut/Paste or spell check or print, even if your computer does. I know that may seem not possible but just like Nascar and GM, it does exist.

PS
I have been watching The grand Nationals, as they were called before Nascar, when Chris Economaki announced the Daytona 500 on ABCs wide would of sports and attending events when Bristol was a dirt track.

 

[oh9mustang]

Steel Horse

If Mark wasn't washed up, why would Jack get rid of him and why wasn't he winning with the #1 Army team? Jack started with Mark and I would guess it was a very hard thing to do, to let the one that got you here go. But Mark was washed up and the last couple years with Jack just proved it.
If you stack the deck (Hendricks) anyone can win including Mark.
Mark is still a good driver, but #1 in the points with 5 wins, Don't ya think Jack would have kept that talent if it was really still there?
I loved watching Mark in the Win Dixie #60, He was Da man.
When dale waltrop held up 2 restrictor plates at the Daytona 500 and said this race the Fords will be using the 7/8" hole plate an the GMs would be using the 1" hole plates I just turned the channel.

 

[Steel Horse]

Steel Horse

If Mark wasn't washed up, why would Jack get rid of him and why wasn't he winning with the #1 Army team? Jack started with Mark and I would guess it was a very hard thing to do, to let the one that got you here go. But Mark was washed up and the last couple years with Jack just proved it.
If you stack the deck (Hendricks) anyone can win including Mark.
Mark is still a good driver, but #1 in the points with 5 wins, Don't ya think Jack would have kept that talent if it was really still there?
I loved watching Mark in the Win Dixie #60, He was Da man.
When dale waltrop held up 2 restrictor plates at the Daytona 500 and said this race the Fords will be using the 7/8" hole plate an the GMs would be using the 1" hole plates I just turned the channel.

Jack didn't let Mark go. He wanted to retire/run a few races a year and spend time with his family. Afterwards he decided he was still competitive and wanted to go back to racing but his position on Roush's team had been filled. With the limits on how many cars a team can have now Mark had to go somewhere else.

 

[Satin Silver GT]

From what I have read over the past couple of years Martin indicated he wanted to spend more time with his family, and his son was racing. Only wanted a limited schedule as he said for a long time the season is too long. Guess he just had the desire to keep racing, sort of like when I park my GT for the Winter> I want to drive it.

 

[oh9mustang]

Satin Silver GT and Steel Horse

Some times you here just what you want to here. Mark said a few times that after Roush he would like to remain with Roush and just why Jack decided not to do that is in Jacks head. {" Jack Didn't let mark Go"} come on, look at this in a real light. Jack had let Mark run the #6 for 2 years and in a decline. it was time that Mark step down, Mark decided he wanted to continue racing. well a decision had to be made, keep Mark or let him go. Jack decided to let Mark go. Mark decided to continue with the #1 Army team. And had a loosing season. then Hendrick decided after letting Kyle go to put Mark in the #5 car. Now some may think that Mark is a better driver than Kyle. but a person with more than 4 brain cells would say that Kyle is a far better driver than Mark. so, what has happened. Kyle said to Hendricks, F=U and then Mark is a better driver???????????
Come on. Kyle is the best driver out there today.
There are many Many drivers out there better than Mark, but he sits on the top???? anyone see anything wrong with that?

 

[Wraith413]

oh9mustang

Sooo, the only way to make your point is call everyone else's opinions crap and then offer your own half-baked opinions you call facts instead?!?!?!

I saw the race and really don't remember/care what DW said. He's not in that car driving, Terry was. The announcers said that Tony would run out of gas during the last race he won, but he didn't. So some announcer in a booth gave their opinion, doesn't mean their right. Hardly factual, since in both cases, the booth guys were proven wrong.
I don't know why NASCAR doesn't make the rule book public, but my guess is because of all the people with 3 brain cells that "know" everything and in reality can't see another opinion beside their own fanboyism. Thanks for making MY point.

I see you glossed over my remarks concerning Kyle. He is talented but young and has a judgment problem from a lack of seasoning. imo
He won 4 races, same as Mark this year, so why isn't he in the Chase??!!
Consistency and actually finishing a race is what gets you in the Chase.
Also, Kyle didn't get his Hendrick contract renewed because of his or his Agent's greed, probably both. (The booth guys said it, must be true.)


"There are many Many drivers out there better than Mark, but he sits on the top???? anyone see anything wrong with that? "

Apparently only you.

It's still a team effort and having some luck on your side doesn't hurt. Not making mistakes on the track or in the pits is still a team effort, no matter how well a driver drives the wheels off the car. This includes putting the money and resources were it counts and managing your organization efficiently. And of course, FINISHING the race.

This may be why Hendrick and Joe Gibbs Racing are the class of the field. imo
Not some paranoid fantasy that NASCAR is putting Hendrick Racing in the winners circle by itself.

Being a armchair quarterback for a 100 years doesn't make one an expert either.

 

[oh9mustang]

Go somewhere else and talk to your hand. Your Gibberish has little meaning and your spell check must have quite also.

 

[Steel Horse]

"There are many Many drivers out there better than Mark, but he sits on the top???? anyone see anything wrong with that? "

Apparently only you.

It's still a team effort and having some luck on your side doesn't hurt. Not making mistakes on the track or in the pits is still a team effort, no matter how well a driver drives the wheels off the car. This includes putting the money and resources were it counts and managing your organization efficiently. And of course, FINISHING the race.

+1

Go somewhere else and talk to your hand. Your Gibberish has little meaning and your spell check must have quit also.

Fixed that for you

 

[oh9mustang]

Mark wanted to continue racing with a limited number of races. why didn't he win with the #1 team? Might have something to do with his diminished ability and a lack of a edge (Hendricks) When Mark decided to come back full time, I'm sure he went to Jack. and I'm also sure that Jack said no. Kyle is probably the best driver in Nascar right now but he has this huge attitude so Hendricks and Kyle departed. Joe Gibbs deals with huge attitudes in Football all the time. Nascar and Hendricks wanted to give Mark a Championship so they teamed up, ALL THREE. I would bet the farm that if either Kyle or Carl took Marks car after Mark made a run and it was the Fastest he could go, Kyle or Carl would be 1/2 second faster. In Marks car. Nobody knows any of this for sure or Nascar would be in deep DoDo, and what goes on between Mark/Jack/Hendricks/Nascar we will never know.

 

[Wraith413]

 

[Steel Horse]

Mark wanted to continue racing with a limited number of races. why didn't he win with the #1 team? Might have something to do with his diminished ability and a lack of a edge (Hendricks) When Mark decided to come back full time, I'm sure he went to Jack. and I'm also sure that Jack said no. Kyle is probably the best driver in Nascar right now but he has this huge attitude so Hendricks and Kyle departed. Joe Gibbs deals with huge attitudes in Football all the time. Nascar and Hendricks wanted to give Mark a Championship so they teamed up, ALL THREE. I would bet the farm that if either Kyle or Carl took Marks car after Mark made a run and it was the Fastest he could go, Kyle or Carl would be 1/2 second faster. In Marks car. Nobody knows any of this for sure or Nascar would be in deep DoDo, and what goes on between Mark/Jack/Hendricks/Nascar we will never know.

I'm assuming Jack couldn't take a contract away from one of his full time drivers to fit Mark in. And Roush can't just build a new car and team for Martin because he is capped at 5 cars. I'm willing to bet Jack would have been more than happy to take him back on.

And the thing about Kyle or Carl taking Mark's car and running a half second faster is just BS.

 

[oh9mustang]

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OK

 

[kooldawg6]

It is hard to say how many drivers are "better" than Mark as there are many ways to describe "better". Mark is undeniably ONE OF THE BEST when it comes to getting the best finish out of a car and keeping it one piece. Whether that be a Top 3 or a Top 10-15 car... Kyle Bush is a very talented driver as he can drive so reckless and be able to hang on to it most of the time, but look at how many times HE has torn up a race car and others due to his reckless nature. He is definitely one of the most entertaining to watch drivers due to his style. All of this talk about how Martin is at the top of the standings when he didn't do as well as others is a load of BS!!!!! That is all NASCAR's doing by the way they set up the Chase format!!!!! Likewise you can ask why Stewart was dropped so far down after doing well enough to maintain a healthy lead over all the others for so long. Does that mean Stewart sucks??? No, it means NASCAR has some more bugs to work out with the Chase format. I don't like most of the things the Chase does, but it does make things close and more exciting for more fans whose driver wouldn't otherwise stand a chance. That was NASCAR's goal...make it more interesting to have more viewers late in the season when the NFL started. I've never felt it was right to have the points leader run well enough to build up a several hundred point lead only to be erased and possibly drop in the standings after race #26! Mark and his team ran well enough to get into and stay in the Top 12 and that should be commended, but he shouldn't be starting in first either.

 

[Wraith413]

While I like the idea of the "Chase", I agree with ya KD, that it still needs some tweaking.

 

[kooldawg6]

Mark Martin, the "washed up driver", took care of his car and brought it home 2nd and maintained his points lead, while Kyle Bush, the "clearly much better driver", bounced his car off the wall how many times, spending how many laps getting his car repaired, finished 31st...

This thing is still far from over!

 

[Steel Horse]

Mark Martin, the "washed up driver", took care of his car and brought it home 2nd and maintained his points lead, while Kyle Bush, the "clearly much better driver", bounced his car off the wall how many times, spending how many laps getting his car repaired, finished 31st...

This thing is still far from over!

+10

 

[kooldawg6]

Yeah, the scary part for me is that Johnson was untouchable and is now only 10 points back with 8 races to go