2011 gt chassis dyno

[billfisher]

WTF? they dyno a 2011 gt.


Inside Line Dyno-Tests the 2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0


vids are in youtube now.

thats 438 flywheel hp. but who knows if its a one off motor.

 

[Deleted member 38176]

Oh God I need to get me one of these!

 

[BurningRubber]

I hope Ford under-rated them. Those are some awesome numbers.

Could be a few things though... Either Ford under-rated, it's a tweaked test mule (like Bill is saying), or they fudged the numbers on the dyno.

 

[SteedaGT9150]

 

[Winters98GT]

Bill,

Does that sound like a 4th gear pull to you? Very quick. What is the redline?

I have no doubt this car is going to be underated, just like the terminators.

 

[Winters98GT]

I hope Ford under-rated them. Those are some awesome numbers.

Could be a few things though... Either Ford under-rated, it's a tweaked test mule (like Bill is saying), or they fudged the numbers on the dyno.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[BurningRubber]

I think they said 6,850 for the limiter.

It did pull through it pretty quick, but the article said the runs were done in 4th.

 

[billfisher]

Bill,

Does that sound like a 4th gear pull to you? Very quick. What is the redline?

I have no doubt this car is going to be underated, just like the terminators.

it was a 4th gear pull. but that would read low not high. my lower gear pulls always read 20-30 rwhp lower than 1:1 (3rd).

they CANT underrate it. its SAE certified. insurance companies will have their ass if the fudged the SAE by using 87 octane for example. or larger cams or tuning.

no doubt they will easily make 400rwhp with a tune or a few other goodies.

 

[40oz]

Insurance companies don't care what the engine output is, they care how much it costs to repair and how much medical bills are when you wreck. That's why rare and exotic cars cost more to insure, and why safer cars are cheaper to insure than other cars that cost the same and are just as common.

Under-rating motors is nothing new. Nobody important cares if the stated numbers are lower than the actual numbers. It's entirely possible the InsideLine numbers are not typical. It's also entirely possible they will be typical. Time will tell.

 

[CatmanJJ]

By about 2013-14 I could def see myself in one of these.

 

[harrisonfiveo]

By about 2013-14 I could def see myself in one of these.

No doubt, cause I sure cant afford a new one right now!

Seeing those numbers makes me just want to give up on modifying my car

 

[scupking]

Very impressive. This car puts down more hp then the 03-04 cobras make at the crank and the 5.0 is N/A. With a 93 oct tune, exhaust and CAI this 5.0 GT will probably put down 430rwhp. Put a blower on and say hello to over 500rwhp. This car will also weigh less then the 03-04 cobras. The cobras curb weight is 3665 lbs for the coupe. The 2011 GT should be in the 3500-3600lb range. I will buy one of these new 5.0s around 2014. I wonder what the 2011 V6 will put down.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

Insurance companies don't care what the engine output is, they care how much it costs to repair and how much medical bills are when you wreck. That's why rare and exotic cars cost more to insure, and why safer cars are cheaper to insure than other cars that cost the same and are just as common.

Under-rating motors is nothing new. Nobody important cares if the stated numbers are lower than the actual numbers. It's entirely possible the InsideLine numbers are not typical. It's also entirely possible they will be typical. Time will tell.

Umm wrong...

Of course the more expensive a vehicle is the more it is to insure, but of course the more power it makes the more it is to insure. Its all about the ability to go faster than your average car.

 

[40oz]

Umm wrong...

Of course the more expensive a vehicle is the more it is to insure, but of course the more power it makes the more it is to insure. Its all about the ability to go faster than your average car.

It hasn't been that way for at least 30 years.

It has nothing to do with how fast a car can go. It has to do with how much you are likely to cost your insurance company. Therefore, a safer car is cheaper to insure because they won't be paying out for your death, and they'll be paying less for medical than they would if you drove a less safe car.

Case in point - I had a 98 Honda Civic coupe. Traded that POS for a 99 Mustang GT in 2002. My insurance premiums went down. The reason was the Mustang was a far safer car to be inside during a wreck.

In my case, nothing had changed but the safety of the car. The Mustang actually cost more, but the net effect of the increased safety lowered my rates. The Mustang could go far faster than the Civic, so believe what you want. And after owning both, the Mustang was far safer at any speed than the Civic.

Insurance companies use statistical data - not some half-assed conjecture based on stereotypes - to calculate premiums.

 

[bhuff30]

To a large extent, you are correct... but their 'safety' factor includes a lot more than just the crash test ratings. Otherwise, an 03 cobra would cost the same to insure as a v6 mustang, because they are the same frame and would have the same crash test ratings. Wrapped into the safety factor would be the power to weight ratio of the car, and the accident instance for drivers of said car.

My insurance company called it different classes, and the class is a combination of items, such as safety of the vehicle, history of insuring those vehicles, power, ect. There were something like 30 or more classes, and the difference between the buick ls which my wife got and the buick gs with a supercharger was only one class... and less than 5$ per month. Same car, same transmission, same everything except about a 60hp gain from the supercharger. So yes, they do care about power too. Insurance companies consider a huge number of factors when deciding premiums and class of vehicle.

Anyway, the dyno test is pretty amazing. I have no doubt ford has some tricks up their sleeves to increase the power of the new 5.0 already and will be happy to sell them to the new GT owners for a pretty penny. I bet this engine was equipted with just those parts.

It hasn't been that way for at least 30 years.

It has nothing to do with how fast a car can go. It has to do with how much you are likely to cost your insurance company. Therefore, a safer car is cheaper to insure because they won't be paying out for your death, and they'll be paying less for medical than they would if you drove a less safe car.

Case in point - I had a 98 Honda Civic coupe. Traded that POS for a 99 Mustang GT in 2002. My insurance premiums went down. The reason was the Mustang was a far safer car to be inside during a wreck.

In my case, nothing had changed but the safety of the car. The Mustang actually cost more, but the net effect of the increased safety lowered my rates. The Mustang could go far faster than the Civic, so believe what you want. And after owning both, the Mustang was far safer at any speed than the Civic.

Insurance companies use statistical data - not some half-assed conjecture based on stereotypes - to calculate premiums.

 

[Winters98GT]

My Z06 is cheaper to insure than an 03-04GT, or was when I bought it.

 

[CobraRed_96_GT]

4th is 1.32:1 on this car, it's like dynoing any other Mustang in 3rd gear. 5th is 1:1.

 

[billfisher]

insurance company wants 200 a month for the 2011 gt. i have no tickets, wrecks, nothing. and im 44.

however they only want 100 a month for a 2007 gt500. the difference is cost to repair. the 2011 is a new car and repair costs are higher than a 2007. but if ford starts fudging power that will change. it will add for power.

 

[billfisher]

4th is 1.32:1 on this car, it's like dynoing any other Mustang in 3rd gear. 5th is 1:1.

agreed. which is about 20rwhp low reading than 1:1. the car is not stock. period IMO. SAE means everything these days.


with all of the possible ways to tune this car, no doubt it can be tuned for far higher dynamic compression, and reduce EGR which adds 10percent or so less inert gas. if the intake is tuned for maximum filling and the cam timing is set for 5000-6600 rpm 12:1 DCR power WILL increase.

my opinion is the tune is not the stock tune. only way its possible.

 

[sneaky98gt]

My Z06 is cheaper to insure than an 03-04GT, or was when I bought it.

You beat me to it. I was about to say that a Corvette is cheaper for me to insure than my car to insure, and that's with me, a 19 year old, driving. As Brian said, it depends on a lot of factors. I know that one of the biggest ones is previous incident rates. Which car is more likely to have a young, inexperienced, potentially reckless person driving it? A Vette, or a Mustang GT? The Mustang, because it is more affordable and because lots of young people drive them. Hence the reason they are more expensive to insure.

On topic, that car is insane. I'm so glad that Ford has gotten the one-up on the other muscle cars. Time will tell for sure, but it currently seems Ford has hit the nail on the head with the 2011 GT.