a/c low pressure switch & plug replacement

glowstang93

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My a/c compressor was not turning due to a bad a/c low pressure switch. The switch needed replaced but so did the plug, due to the locking tabs breaking off. The switch is easily unscrewed from the accumulator and the new one screwed back on with the supplied new o-ring. The new plug I was able to find from Napa, Item # ECHEC58. The plug only has 2 wires, but there are actually 3 wires going into the plug with 2 terminals that connect to the switch. No problem, just joined the 2 wires before connecting to the plug. I soldered the connections, heat shrink tape, and then wrapped in cloth friction tape (electrical tape). I took some pictures to go with the project. Hopefully this will help someone in the future.

The parts
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Switch removed from the accumulator with the original plug still intact.
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Original plug, so as to remember which side of the plug has the two wires.
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Wires from original plug cut and separated to which side of the plug they go.
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The 2 wires and the one side of the plug wire connected.
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One wire done, just have to solder and heat shrink tape this one.
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Finished project picture.
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The switch is now working properly and the compressor is kicking on allowing for cold air to come from the vents. The a/c is working now, untill the next problem, you know how it is :rolleyes:
 
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dude i cant thank you enough..I just ordered a new accumulator, and i was unsure on how to remove the switch assembly. but thanks to you i'm good to go i REALLY appreciate it.


"although this an ancient post."
 
Are u converting to R134A? My mechanic used a product called Freeze 12 that mixes with r-12 to replace what gas I had leaked out from the pressure switch. It is doing good still, cold as ever. Glad I could help, thats what we are here for.
 
Not to highjack, but I am afraid of Freeze 12. My understanding is that it is 80% R134A, 20% HCFC-142b that is there to carry the mineral oil to lube the compressor. Thing that scares me is the 20% stuff has very small molecule size and is likely to leak out. Once that happens, there is no lube for the compressor...

I hope I am wrong, because using the Freeze 12 will be alot easier then the conversion to R134A that I am getting ready to do.
 
Well no I am not converting to r134a. In fact I'm replacing my compressor, and of course my accumulator and a new liquid line which has the orifice tube in it. I read that I need to oil up the orifice tube but I don't know how to get to it, its as though its sealed in (the new line I purchased).

I am a complete novice on this but I have read every guide I can get my hands on. I really need a/c since I live in SW Houston. I have bought the ac tools, r134a oil, Four seasons compressor,accumulator,and the liquid line. As soon as I install everything I'm going to take it to the shop where they will vacuum the line, flush it, and fill with refrigerant.

Flying by the seat of my pants.

Any tips?
 
Not to highjack, but I am afraid of Freeze 12. My understanding is that it is 80% R134A, 20% HCFC-142b that is there to carry the mineral oil to lube the compressor. Thing that scares me is the 20% stuff has very small molecule size and is likely to leak out. Once that happens, there is no lube for the compressor...

I hope I am wrong, because using the Freeze 12 will be alot easier then the conversion to R134A that I am getting ready to do.

I have not heard enough positive input on freeze 12, i did concider using it in my Fox back when my Fox my DD. I converted it to 134A but I did not use the conversion kit. That was 4 years ago and every summer I have to add a tad of 134a but it works great.
 
Since a buddy that works at a shop told me that he would hook the car up to their machine that will draw a vacuum, put in PAG and R134A, test the low/high presure and monitor the vent temp for FREE, I am going with the R134A conversion.

I am using the original condensor. If I don't like the results, I will either add a fan or use a SN95 condensor. We will have to wait and see. I am replacing all the o-rings and the Accumulator & line assembly. Should have cold air by noon on Saturday.
 
hey guys i need some help on how to reattach the spring locks on the low and high side of the ac system. I have disconnected them with the tools but they wont go back on.

very frustrating..
 
hey guys i need some help on how to reattach the spring locks on the low and high side of the ac system. I have disconnected them with the tools but they wont go back on.

very frustrating..

Coat the O rings with lots of the lubricant specified for use with your refrigerant. R134a uses PAG 100 oil, R12 uses mineral oil for compounded for air condoning systems. You may need to have someone hold on the other tube while you push the two tubes together.
 
Well its 10 and I've finished the assembly. We put the drive belt back on and it didn't fit like it did when I took it off. Had to bypass the idler pulley. Now it sounds as though I have a supercharger under the hood when I rev it. I guess I will have to find a larger belt, it took 30 mins to put it on. :(

I Used R134a Estor oil (medium viscosity). It took forever to learn how to put the lines back in the spring sockets. I decided to put the old lines in and it went straight in. Tried the new line and it wouldn't fit. So I pulled the old o-spring out and put in a new one, greased that mofo up and it popped right in. I made sure to grease up everything, being sure to follow any and all directions.

I it said to drain the oil from the accumulator by drilling holes in the bottom but it didn't have any so I winged it 4oz or so. I googled everywhere, called four seasons and different auto places, and no one could tell me how much should go in.

As for the compressor there was no oil in the old one so I followed the Haynes manual there "if its less than 3oz then ad 6oz to the new one...", well it was shipped with 1.5oz, so now it has 7.5oz in it.

Tomorrow morning I'll take it to the shop first thing. They'll draw a vacuum, flush it and fill it with freon. I'm hoping for no leaks. The fact it had freon in it for 2yrs after the compressor stoped working and it still had the same pressure (normal reading) tells me it'll be ok.

Wish me luck, or I'm sweating through another summer!
 
Coat the O rings with lots of the lubricant specified for use with your refrigerant. R134a uses PAG 100 oil, R12 uses mineral oil for compounded for air condoning systems. You may need to have someone hold on the other tube while you push the two tubes together.

Evidently you missed my R134 conversion tech note. A search would have yelded this...

R134a Air Conditioner Conversion and recharge instructions


R134a = $7-$10 a can – takes 2 - 2 ½ cans.

R134a compatible oil = $5-$7 for an 8 oz bottle – better get 2 bottles.
Gauge set for recharging = $20-$120 – check out the pawn shops for a bargain before you pay retail.
See Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices for an inexpensive gauge set.
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Vacuum pump – I use an old refrigerator compressor = $20- $40 at used appliance stores, or go to the Dump and get one for free. Be sure to have some R12 compatible oil handy to keep it lubed up properly.
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Pump to force cleaning fluid through the system $20-$50 (may use compressed air to do the same thing).

O ring seal kit = $8.

R134a charging adapter = $13 (I cut mine up to use it with the R12 gauge set that I have had for a long time).

Plastic tools to disconnect refrigerant lines - 1/2" & 5/8" = $4 each.

Flushing agent - Discount Auto Parts has some flushing solvent in a 1 gallon plastic bottle - try that first. Or use Mineral spirits = $4 a gallon, tetrachloroethylene =$5-$10 a gallon, takes 2 gallons of either one.

Miscellaneous hoses and fittings to adapt the flushing pump to the system, and the R134a adapter to the R12 gauge set = $15.

Replacement accumulator/dryer assembly with hose $55-$75

R134 Refrigerant charge is 26-28 Oz plus 6-8 Oz of PAG 100 oil.

I did a R134a conversion on my 89GT, and used all stock parts. You will need to replace the dryer/receiver (about $75 if you get the one with the hose made as part of the unit), and should replace all of the rubber "O" ring seals as well. You will need to drain all of the oil out of the compressor and replace it with new R134a compatible oil.

Keep in mind that to fulfill the requirements of the EPA, you are required by law to recover any refrigerant that still remains in the system. How (or wither or not) you accomplish this is up to you. Connect the charging gauge hoses to the service ports on the A/C (red gauge = high pressure, blue gauge = low pressure) and open the valves on the gauges to dump the remaining refrigerant (if any) into your "freon recovery system", whatever it may be. Disconnect the charging gauges since you are finished with them until you are ready to fill the system with R134a. Next comes the nasty part – in order to get all the old oil out of the system, you will need to flush it with special flushing solvent, or mineral spirits (ok) or tetrachloroethylene (better, but may be hard to get). If you leave the old oil in place it will congeal and reduce the heat transfer in the condenser and evaporator (read that it won’t cool good) and possibly damage the compressor.

Disconnect the compressor and remove it from its mount to flush it with cleaning solvent. Pour about a cup of solvent into the suction port and turn the compressor center hub about 10 turns while shaking the compressor to move the solvent around inside the compressor sump. Drain the flushing solvent out and continue to turn the center hub by hand to force out any remaining solvent. Then fill it with oil: add about 6-8 oz of the new oil to the compressor large suction fitting. Turn the compressor center hub about 20 turns as you turn the compressor face up and face down to distribute the new oil inside the compressor. Catch and replace any oil that comes out of the compressor.

Connect the pump (I had an electric sump pump I bought for $20) to the hose from the high-pressure side of the compressor. Alternately, you could use compressed air to force the cleaning fluid through the system. I didn’t like to do this since compressed air has lots of moisture in it, which is death to A/C systems. Pump the cleaning fluid through the system and let it come out the hose that was attached to the old dryer/receiver. I used 2 gallons of mineral spirits and pumped it all through the condenser and evaporator. The expansion valve is located near the firewall in the high-pressure line of the evaporator, and may cause the cleaning fluid to trickle through the lines at a very slow pace. You may want to pump cleaning fluid through the evaporator and condenser separately to speed up the process.

Next comes the changing of all the old "O" rings so that the chances for leaks is minimized. Use the plastic connector tools to separate the lines, place the extended collar part of the tool so that it faces the large part of the connector and push inwards: this expands the spring so that you can pull the tube apart. You may need a helper to push on the tool while you pull on the tubes to separate them. Install the new "O" rings: be sure to coat them with new oil when you put them in. Install the new dryer/receiver, R134a service port adapter, compressor, add about more 4oz of oil to high pressure line and tighten up all the lines. Close the hood, start the engine, let everything get warm under the hood, but don’t add the R134a or turn the A/C on. Connect the charging gauge hoses to the service ports on the A/C (red gauge = high pressure, blue gauge = low pressure) and open both valves, then connect the center hose to the vacuum pump. The purpose of this exercise is to heat up the system so that when you vacuum it all down (yes, you will need a vacuum pump- mine is an old refrigerator compressor), that all the air, vapor and moisture from the cleaning fluid vaporizes and is removed from the system. Vacuum it down for about 30 minutes, this should give you about 28" of vacuum or more inside the A/C system. I have a vacuum gauge "T" connected into the vacuum pump line so that I can accurately watch the vacuuming process. This is a good time to take a soda and sandwich break since it doesn’t go faster if you watch it.

Install the R134a service fittings on the system: the red goes on the high side and the blue on the low side. This will help others identify that a R134a conversion has been done on the system.

Typical low pressure side R134 coupling
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Typical high pressure side R134 coupling
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Remove the electrical connector from the dryer/receiver and jumper the two connections inside the wiring harness side of the connector together: this allows the compressor to engage in spite of low pressure/no gas in the system. Close both charging gauge valves, and then disconnect the center hose of the charging gauges from the vacuum pump and connect it to the R134a can tapper. Put the R134a can in the can tapper and screw it down with the can tapper valve closed, then open the valve. Loosen the hose at the center connection of the charging gauge set until the R134a squirts out: this purges the line of air and moisture. The refrigerant is added through the low pressure side of the system, so open the low pressure gauge valve to add the R134a. Start the car and take note of the idle speed, then set the idle speed up to about 1200-1500 rpm, and turn the A/C on inside and set the fan speed on high. Watch for the pressure on the low side to drop off as you are filling, and the R134a can will get warm and stay warm. This tells you the current can is empty and needs to be changed for a fresh one. Before you disconnect the can, be sure to close the valve on the R134a can tapper.

Watch the high side pressure on the charging gages and regulate the adding of gas to keep the high side pressure under 350 psi. You will probably need a fan in front of the car to keep the readings below 350 psi. I had to put the R134a can in hot water while I was charging the system with it, or else the can got so cold that it quit flowing. Use caution when you do this so that you don’t get water in the charging adapter when you change the cans. When you have added the 2 cans of gas, the high side will read about 250-300 psi and low side about 28-38 psi. Turn the idle speed back to where it was, turn the A/C off, disconnect the charging gauges, and re-install all the caps on the service ports. Remove the jumper from the low pressure switch harness and plug it back on the switch connectors. Then put the R134a Service Sticker on, secure all the loose wiring on the system and you are done.

The typical sticker looks like this, yours may be different.

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I hope it cools good, mine doesn’t get quite as cold as it used to driving around town.

The above technical note is for informational purposes only, and the end user is responsible for any damages or injury. The end user bears all responsibility for proper recovery/disposal of any R12 refrigerant.

I have an EPA 609 MVAC certification. And yes, you can shortcut the process, but there are negative factors if you do. Sooner or later, something will cease to function like it should. Shoddy work is a time bomb ticking away, waiting to explode.
 
Evidently you missed my R134 conversion tech note. A search would have yelded this...

First off I did not miss your note. Secondly I stated this in an earlier post "....I am not converting to r134a. "

My system was r134a to begin with, I had a bad compressor so I replaced all the necessary parts. Following what the Haynes manual had said and some advice from some other forums concerning the oil, I went with what I was recommended.

Concerning the PAG 100 oil, It was advised it was better to go with the estor. It says its compatible for r134 systems and conversion systems.
 
First off I did not miss your note. Secondly I stated this in an earlier post "....I am not converting to r134a. "

My system was r134a to begin with, I had a bad compressor so I replaced all the necessary parts. Following what the Haynes manual had said and some advice from some other forums concerning the oil, I went with what I was recommended.

Concerning the PAG 100 oil, It was advised it was better to go with the estor. It says its compatible for r134 systems and conversion systems.

PAG oil is what SHOULD be used. The cheapo 134a conversions use estor because it works better in R12 converted systems.
 
According to what I know, an extensive flush is required prior to placing ester oils in any system that originally had mineral oil in it. The oil should not be added to the system until just before vacuuming down to reduce exposure to moisture. The new accumulator/dryer should be installed after the flush is complete and just before the system gets vacuumed down to reduce exposure to moisture.

I got my information from Refrigeration & Air Conditioning Technology: Concepts, Procedures and Troubleshooting Techniques by By William C. Whitman, William M. Johnson, John Tomczyk, Bill Johnson, Bill Whitman

Sorry about the poor quality of the copy, but it is readable.
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