Is fair to say after all this time mod for mod a fox body still stands a better chance beating a ls1 in the 1/4 than a our sn's or even the new 05. What do you think?
meanngreen94 said:Is fair to say after all this time mod for mod a fox body still stands a better chance beating a ls1 in the 1/4 than a our sn's or even the new 05. What do you think?
Killercanary said:Mean, the fox's don't have THAT big of an advantage when comparing a 94-95 coupe to a 93-older GT hatch. Stock versus stock, the two are very close. My dad has a 91GT and my cousin has a 94GT coupe, both are 5 speed cars. Stock versus stock, my cousin's 94GT ran a 14.8 at 93mph to my dad's 14.6 at 94mph. Now when you get into fox coupes versus Sn-95 coupes and fox coupes versus Sn-95 'verts the gap gets much larger. However, with a well thought out combo our 94-95's car pretty much rival the fox body guys (FINALLY). Heck, just look at some of the quicker guys on here... the fox body guys don't have that much on us. There are more of them and as such, there are more that are faster, but look at TMC, Allmotor95, me, and a variety of others here. We have a good bit of NA guys trapping over 110mph, and we have blower guys in the 10's and 11's with H/C/I + SC.
In the few years I've been on the 94-95 specific forums the memebers have continued to get faster and faster. The main problem IMO was that when the 94-95 came out, the fox population rejected it as being heavy and slow, and those that really wanted a fast car knew weight was the enemy and stayed with the fox cars. Plus the 94-95's were pricey in comparison back in the day to their fox kin. But fast forward to the last few years... our cars are getting older (and cheaper), they are more refined which may attrack some of the older fox owners, the chassis is a bit firmer, and less of them were beat and raced and can be found in nice condition that most of the fox body cars. Now, having said all that, look at what has happened in say the last 2-3 years. 2-3 years ago I think there was less than 5 on all the boards I went to that had cars that ran in the 12's with H/C/I. Hell, just a year ago there were some lengthy discussions here and at the corral about it being possible or not to build an 11 second NA 94-95 because no one on the boards had seen anyone do it... I now know of three and one is a fellow convertible owner!!! (Hopefully I can join them soon!!!) THAT is why I think "after all this time" we are finally starting to catch up.
As for the '05, its WAY too early to tell yet what the potential is for the car. I really wish Ford would have added some cubes to the stang for the '05 model though...
Right - stock for stock, SD was faster than MAF (mapping, cam and some other small differences). the real issues begin when vac is diminished on a SD set up (as MAP is critical for proper running). often a chip or conversion to MAF is the route many go when mods go through the roof (chips get to be pricey).Killercanary said:Factory speed density cars always were quicker mod for mod TO A POINT. When they were modded too much they started to develope drivability problems and were difficult to tune. WHat you saw is VERY TYPICAL of a speed density car with bolt-ons. Throw H/C/I at it and the problems begin!