Car is popping/Backfiring in the Intake?

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I have no idea why my car keeps doing this..I just had this problem and we changed the PIP and Ign Module...but today i went out for lunch and the car was idling a little rough and when i stepped on it...It popped/backfired in the intake...The shop is telling me it has to do with a 70mm TB on a speed density car like it being to big and it is maybe a little lean on start-up..I warmed it up a little it seemed better,but in the mornings its been cold here like in the high 40's low 50's and it seems to be ok this afternoon its like 70 out i dont think it should being doing this,what can it be? :shrug:
 
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The EGR spacer fits between the throttle body and the upper intake manifold. It needs to match the throttle body opening so that you don't have a sudden change in airflow that upsets things.

Here's what the EGR spacer looks like:
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Backfiring checklist:

Revised 10-Oct-2010 to add check firing order and move cylinder balance test to end of test sequence


Backfiring out the intake is either a valve stuck open or a lean mixture or spark plug wire(s) connected to the wrong cylinder(s). Check compression on all cylinders and then look for vacuum hoses loose, cracked, or misconnected. Check the line for the vapor recirculation system – it is easy to knock loose and not see it when you connect the air pump plumbing. If the vacuum line for the EGR valve and the air pump are cross connected, some very strange things can happen. Check the mass air flow electrical connection and see that it is tight, the same goes for the fuel injection wiring harness connectors up on top of the manifold near the firewall.

Sticking valves: If a intake valve is bent, has a bad spring or is misadjusted, the engine will sometimes backfire through the intake. Use a vacuum gauge connected to any convenient spot on the intake manifold. Run the engine at 1000 RPM & look for 18-21 inches of vacuum with a steady needle. A problem intake valve will make the vacuum gauge needle sweep 5-10 inches.

Lean fuel mixture breaks out into several sub categories:
A.). Vacuum leaks
B.) Air entering the intake without passing through the MAF on Mass Air cars (89-95 models).
C.) Failure of the MAF, BAP/MAP (Baro or Manifold Air Pressure, same sensor, different name), ACT (air charge temp), or ECT (engine coolant temp). These should set a code in the computer.
D.) Leaking exhaust gases from EGR valve at WOT or EGR opening when it should not be open.
E.) Poor fuel delivery due to bad fuel pump, clogged filter or bad fuel pump wiring. Look for low pressure or fluctuating pressure. Standard injector pressure is 39 PSI at idle, with the vacuum line disconnected from the regulator and capped.
F.) Clogged fuel injectors.- see the cylinder balance test below
H.) Fuel injector wiring problems causing injector not to deliver rated flow.
I.) Computer problems: (computer problems are not common like sensor problems)
J.). ROM has bad data in fuel or timing table. This should also set a code in the computer.
K.) Failure of one or more of the computer's driver transistors for the fuel injectors. No code set on this one. Use a noid test light to test the injector wiring & injector drivers,
L.) MAF calibration off or mismatched to injectors.
M.) ACT or ECT bad. Sometimes the sensors will be off calibration, but not bad enough to set a code. If they falsely read too high a temp, the engine will back off fuel delivery.
N.) Firing order off or spark plug wires out of sequence.

The HO firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
Non HO firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
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You'll need to dump the codes to find some of the less obvious problems and to do the cylinder balance test.

Dumping The computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 19-May-2009 to update drawing for dumping the codes on 86-88 Mustangs with no check engine light.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical

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If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.

Cylinder balance test:
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures. Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure.
 
Check the Vac line going to the MAP sensor on the firewall... sound like you may have a loose fit or bad line.
 
Thanks guys for some help the car has an air pump delete pulley and most of the air polution stuff is gone...i know he put in a new MAP sensor so im sure the vac line is ok...this problem is intermiten doesnt do it all the time it will run rough the pop then clear up run fine for awhile then do it again:shrug: i wonder a bad fuel injector? cat sat for a few good years..the fuel tank,fuel pump,fule filter,most of the fuel lines are new even has an new adjustable aremotive fuel presurre regulator the injectors are still the orignals from what i can tell...any ideas what else it could be?
 
Go through the backfiring checklist and eliminate the good things from the list. Then concentrate on the questionable or bad things. Do it that way and you will find the problem.

Be sure to check the codes. Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.
 
Thanks again for the info...Im thinking its fuel related like a bad injector.....It runs fine the starts missing..then when i give it gas it pops runs pops...then clears up and will run fine for awhile....What are some syptoms of a bad injector?....Or could it be something with Ingition?.Also i noticed eveytime i hit the brake i hear sshhhhhhh when i let up on the brake it goes away...Bad power booster? or check valve?...can that cause a problem but it doesnt POP or miss all the time...The guy at the shop tells me its the 70mm TB being to big oh yeah it does have a BBK throttle body spacer too i checked...he said unplug the IAC on a cold morning to see if it helps i un-plugged it the other day and the car cranked but wouldnt start..plugged it back it walla started right up ran a few mintues then started to miss pop...pop...then clears up...then starts to miss again pop...pop.....weird... :shrug:
 
What did you get for the cylinder balance test? The cylinder balance test will spot a bad injector. Each cylinder will drop a certain amount of RPM when the computer turns off the injector for that particular cylinder. A dead injector will show 0 RPM drop, a weak injector a much lower RPM drop than a good injector.
 
What did you get for the cylinder balance test? The cylinder balance test will spot a bad injector. Each cylinder will drop a certain amount of RPM when the computer turns off the injector for that particular cylinder. A dead injector will show 0 RPM drop, a weak injector a much lower RPM drop than a good injector.

No didnt do that yet how do i do that is it in the link you posted?....
 
The cylinder balance test uses the same process as dumping the codes: the procedure is in the Dump The Codes section of my post.

For a Mass Air car, you use the check engine light if it is present. For a Speed Density, you use the test light.
 
Def do the cylinder balance test. My speed density car had the same symptoms and a cbt led me to a dead #4 injector.

Replaced it and car runs fine.


No need to change to mass air. My sd car has an intake, larger tb and other mods and runs awesome. No surging, no stalling, no anything.
 
Def do the cylinder balance test. My speed density car had the same symptoms and a cbt led me to a dead #4 injector.

Replaced it and car runs fine.


No need to change to mass air. My sd car has an intake, larger tb and other mods and runs awesome. No surging, no stalling, no anything.

Yea the weird thing is the car runs great like 80% of the time then all of a sudden out of no where it starts running rough.then when i go take off it pops in the intake so your saying it could be a bad injector?..but if it was a bad injector wouldnt it do it all the time not just sometimes?
 
ok i also just noticed i dont have any Vac going to the EGR valve i dont have any thing going to the PFPE thing on the fender by the shock tower looks like my EGR valve is along for the ride can that be causing this problem?...Can you just disconnected the EGR valve like that?..i dont have an air pump anymore i think he took all my emissions out....Alos checked fuel pressure it was 32 at idle with the vac hose hooked up and 41-42 with the vac hose off..so im guess thats ok no?