Several years ago I used to subscribe to a Musclecar mag. I don't recall the name, but it was mostly high dollar, correct cars only type of thing. Anyway, they featured a Buick GS in it and talked with the owner (who bought the car new) and he said it would run a low 13 -high 12 stock ('cept for the radial tires). Then some loudmouth who owned a Hemi 'Cuda reda the feature and wrote in as to how slow the Buicks were, how fast his car was , etc. Since both owners lived in the Georgia area, they invited them to meet at the strip and settle it, which they did, To make a long story short, the Buick flat whomped the over-rated Hemi car (by a full second if I remember right) and the Mopar guy sounded exactly like the bunch on the Mopar board. Bitch, whine and moan and talk about how fast THEIR car is compared to the one in the test. Some things never change...