Guys I am researching about adding a set of NSR cams to my ride. To my knowledge(correct me if I''m wrong) there are 2 options with the NSR(no springs required)cams. Comp Cams and the new FRRP Hot Rod cams. I have not seen an independent dyno of the FRRP cams yet. Anyone have any dynos,faster ET results or, useful info to compare the two. I love the lopey idle of the FRRP just nothing else to compare it to the Comp Cams product. My car is a MT,4.10s,spydershaft,UDPs,deletes,CAI. Also anyone know how compatable this cam would be with nitrous? thanks Dale
Haven't seen independent dyno results on the FRPP ones, either, but I did see someone gained .67 in the 1/4, I believe. From everything I can see, the FRPP ones are the way to go. Way more lope to the idle and similar, if not better, HP numbers.
I'm willing to bet there is a loss of part throttle power just like the cams that require springs ... I've seen mileage reductions with the cams that require springs as well. However I haven't seen any dynos of a set of NSR so I can't say for certain.
Brenspeed has a dyno posted of NSR cams vs stock and it looked like you lost an insignificant amount of power below 4,500rpms and really gained a lot after that.
Springs = 600 bucks INstall = 600 bucks give or take 1200 for 20 HP hmmm i dont know ! mayby for the lope and sound factor but 1200 bucks just for 20 HP.. does anyone have a dyno sheet of the cams on a stang with a Power adder ..??
We're talking about NSR (No Springs Required) cams. These cams do not require springs. The install typically runs about $300. The Brenspeed Comp Cams produce about 20RWHP NA. The FRPP cams are claimed to produce 30HP. We'll see in the next few weeks as people start getting them dynoed.
If the hot rod cams are the same ones that I've been hearing about when they were being developed. They were to be good for 30 hp on stock heads and up to 75 on ported heads. They required no springs and there was no lose of mid range. There was only supost to be 2 sets of these cams in exsistance at the time. They were from ford racing, so I don't know if these are the same cams or not.
so the install will go down put your still spending almost a grand for that kinda HP, it just dosnt seem worth it. Dark as far as you know does anyone have a set of these with a power adder.. ? I would love to see the Dyno results then.
Seems that way till you see how expensive all of our mods are. Looking at your list and show just for an example... BBK shorties price? how much gain? UDPs 200-250 for 5 rwhp (multiply 4 or 5 time that you get the cam results and price) SLP LMs 370 for no real gains Not try to be a jerk at all with this. Just trying to put a perspective on the price. So the hp expectations and prices are really on line with alot of the other mods for our cars. I too would like to see FI numbers with them. My goal is to crack 11s full weight NA, lower my nitrous to a 75 shot for 11.50s. I don't want to cage my car yet. If I can do that with an added wicked lopey idle, then I am ready!
$1k for 30HP is not bad. It's in line with everything else. The only better bang for the buck, horsepower wise, is nitrous and intake/tune. There's only a few people with these cams, and even fewer installed. Sutton got the first shipment and they only received 7. Haven't seen any dyno results yet. Someone has a dyno date scheduled for the 20th, so we'll see some results at that point. Don't know anyone with them with a blower, but I'm sure someone will come forward with them soon. I would expect 35-50RWHP with a blower.
How much did you spend on your full exhaust system? You can spend more on headers/mids/and mufflers and gain as much or less.
The dyno sheet that you posted is simply a WOT run. We need to see a part throttle power dyno graph as well to get the whole story. The dyno graph doesn't look good though. Nitrous would be a much better idea, IMO.
Indeed! I should get my friends dyno graph off his '06 to show what nitrous does for the same investment. And Nitrous doesn't lower your MPG under normal driving, and can easily be taken out and resold.
Exactly ... I've been trying to figure out what I'm going to do with my car for some time. I've though about forced induction but eventually it's not going to be my daily driver and it's going to be getting an engine swap so it'd be pointless. Nitrous on the other hand is perfect.
I'll be adding the FRPP cams soon. I'm not too concerned about how much HP they will provide. What I am concerned about is the sound. I LOVE the lope of performace cams. The sound takes me back 6 years ago when I installed my E303 cams in my '93 notch. I really miss that sound.
Another option is to call Comp and ask for a custom grind with the choppy idle in a cam that is NSR and requires cam phaser limiters. This is what Brenspeed recommended to me. I sat on hold for 15 min. yesterday trying to order mine and couldn't wait any longer, I will probably try again on Monday. According to whoever it was that I talked to at Brenspeed, I will need a custom tune but I will get the idle I want and will not lose any low end power because of the limiters.
I wonder how long the stock springs will last with the frpp cams? If they deliver 20+ RWHP and the stock springs will hold up, I'll be getting them. $1000 for 20+ RWHP ain't bad on these cars. Also remember that LT headers can help a lot with cams. There's a guy on another forum who picked up around 20 RWHP after swapping his shorties for LT's. He had stage 3 comp's with full bolt on's. His car went from 320+ to 340+ just from swapping in the LT's and retuning.
