what is everyone's thoughts on teh new CPP suspension kit? we were discussing it in the AJE thread but i thought it deserved it's own thread and was getting way off topic on the AJE thread. here's a couple pics for those that haven't seen it yet.
thanks for starting a new thread!!!
my question started an all out war!!
I am leaning so hard to this product right now.
I belive it is giving alot of bang for the buck. I think the product with the upper arms and some roller springs from open tracker is just what my sloppy handling mustang needs!!
I just wish we had some comments from people who have used the product. Maybe i will have to check some chevy nova forums!! i can not belive i just said that!! LOL.
http://www.bracketracer.com/nova/cpplca/cpplca.htm
heres an article on an installation of the nova kit...I answered my own question...I'm thinking possibly this kit with ope tracker upper control arms would make a nice combo....at least, this kit looks like it will work perfectly for me
If you think about it, whatever kind of suspension you have is bolt-in! Are you worried about it getting loose?I don't like that it's a bolt in kit; that's kinda scary. Just the idea of it geting loose.
Right, because welding in these spindly tubes (circled) that most MII setups have is much more reassuring than bolting onto factory-placed chassis holes.I don't like that it's a bolt in kit; that's kinda scary. Just the idea of it geting loose.
what do you have aginast Delrin? i'd rather have Delrin than rubber and those Maier strut rod bushing kits are also made of Delrin BTW as are the bushings in the GW UCA's and their rear bushing kit as well.
as far as the 1/4" plate adding weight, i can't see that it would too much more than the stock strut rod braces which are pretty substantial themselves.
this kit HAS to have less caster deflection than a stock rubber bushing or most any type of stock style strut rod, even the heim jointed ones. i'd also say there would have to be some geometry change but excactly what i can't say.
the only thing i would like to see different would to have a cross brace welded in between the 2 sides of the arm, provided there is room. they would definitely need to be modified to run a coilover that attaches to the LCA but it shouldn't be hard at all.
they are supposed to be working on a 67-up kit as well according to an email i recieved from them a few months back.
I could be wrong, but I don't think those are "Delrin" bushings. At least if it were me and they were Delrin, I would certainly make sure that was in the advertisment. And my personal experience with "plastic" bushings (I'm drawing a blank on the proper name) is that road grit becomes impregnated into the "plastic" and they wear the metal sleaves until there is slop. The same thing can happen with Delrin if the tolerances are too loose. In any case, as I stated in my original post I prefer Opentracker's stuff with Street-or-Track's strut rods. Both companies use heim joints, not bushings. Not sure where you came up with GW and Maier?... although, my Maier Panhard bar uses heim joints, as do my GW lower control arms... Hmmm.
I would agree that if they suggest cutting off the original strut rod braces, the additional weight of the plate wouldn't make a bit of difference. Although at that point I would seriously consider welding the plate, otherwise there is going to be spot weld failure of the inner fenders and radiator support along the front frame arms.
Slow down and re-read my post. You will see I said less caster change is one of the two benefits I could see.
And your point of "there would have to be geometry changes"...OK, so are they good or bad geometry changes? I'm not sure, based on what I read, even CCP knows. Before I jumped on the bandwagon, I'd want to find out. Which was really my main point. In the brochure that was posted, for me there wasn't enough qualitative information to form an overall positive opinion. Hopefully when the kit comes out they will have some good qualitative information.
I thought you were soliciting for responses? My appologies if I offended you.
If the car has anti-dive, the caster will change. Does the lbj move forward or back with a strut rod set up when compressed? If it moves back, the CCP set up will have more caster change.