Outlaw97GT
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You sure you don't have a blown headgasket?
Coolant in your oil is a sign of that.
Just an idea...
Coolant in your oil is a sign of that.
Just an idea...
Outlaw97GT said:You sure you don't have a blown headgasket?
Coolant in your oil is a sign of that.
Just an idea...
Dusstbuster said:Greeaaattt....lol. Maybe i'll crawl under there tonight and plaster the mofo with penetrating oil. That'll be a nice smokeshow when we start it up again. That's really the only thing that is F'ing this install up though (if it isn't a headgasket). Like I said, if it is a headgasket, i'm done with the car. I'll see if i feel like renting a compression tester. Any ideas on the price of that?
Oh and when we put the manifold on, it's naked, nothing but the manifold.
Mel96GT said:I did the exact swap you did and everything came out right. My question is how did you re-install the rockers? What did you torque the cam caps to? Did you re-install the cam sensor on the driver's side on the cam cover? Have you checked your distributors to see if one is bad? Check all your wiring to make sure everything is attached correctly. Go buy a Chilton's manual and check your codes and firing order. That car should start and run fine with the stock tune.
Just buy a compression tester at Harbor Freight or other tool store for about $20.00. Your compression should be about 180-ish on both sides. If your compression is low on one side you skipped a tooth. Also, do not try to unscrew that EGR tube (it's literaly welded on), rather unbolt it from the plenum like the other reader said. Just use a good high-temp gasket sealant and re-use the old gasket when you re-attach it to the plenum. I've replaced two NPI manifolds this way with no problems. Good luck and keep us posted.
Mel96GT said:Did you install the rockers and then torque the cam caps? You really should have torqued the caps first then installed the rockers. Did you torque to 71-106 in-lbs.? If the plugs are black on one side you have ignition/fuel problems. You don't need new plugs since these are tough and can go 50k+ miles. Just wipe them off and re-install. DO NOT attempt to re-gap them. Make sure you torque the plugs correctly to 7-15 ft-lbs or whatever the manufacturer specs. I think you need to re-check your firing order and distributors. Also check your injectors sequence and test them. It sounds like you have a minor glitch that is holding everything up.
As for the RTV, follow the manufacturer directions. You only need a dab between the PI gasket and NPI head around the coolant ports. That is it.
stangGT97 said:First off he's using NPI gaskets. Dustbuster, when I did my manifold install w/ NPI gaskets, I lines the gaskets up on the manifold, RTVed where they missed and allowed it to cure over night before attempting to put it on the heads. If those plugs are gunked up like that, I would be ready to replace them... ask svttech76, he sees it all the time - modulars foul out plugs very easily.
Dusstbuster said:Alright we'll probably try that this time. We're probably going to destroy the 2nd pair of gaskets when we remove the manifold again so thats another $16 from Ford. Wow the piecemealing on this install has really slaughtered my checking account, thank God for weekly direct deposits.
Switching over to non synthetic for this one time shouldn't really be an issue should it? I really don't want to run the risk of fouling up another 6 quarts of synthetic and spend upwards of 100 on just oil/filters when I could just go with crap oil that'll last me for the next month max. Then when it's time to take it out of winter storage (if we can even get it there) i'll be changing it right away.
stangGT97 said:First off he's using NPI gaskets. Dustbuster, when I did my manifold install w/ NPI gaskets, I lines the gaskets up on the manifold, RTVed where they missed and allowed it to cure over night before attempting to put it on the heads. If those plugs are gunked up like that, I would be ready to replace them... ask svttech76, he sees it all the time - modulars foul out plugs very easily.
Mel96GT said:My bad. First off switch to a PI gasket that way you are almost gauranteed a leak free fit for the intake manifold. You are making a mess with those NPI gaskets. I used adapter plates and both sets of gaskets, but those plates aren't available anymore.
stangGT97 said:Yeah Mel, I figured you just missed that part. I also used NPI gaskets when I did my install, but they started to leak a little bit (tiny tiny bit). Lucky for me, my WP started peeing coolant at the outlet, so I needed to pull the manifold and replace a bunch of crap. That gave me the opportunity to use PI gaskets.
Dustbuster... dude, you DO NOT need to RTV the coolant ports when using NPI gaskets. The gaskets make a perfect seal for the coolant between the head and intake. If the gasket is FUBARed enough that you need rtv to seal the water jackets, then you should toss them in the garbage. If you lived closer I would offer to help you out, I hate to see you struggle with this. I just hope it turns out to be a minor problem so you can get the stang going again.
Dusstbuster said:Being as i'm so gunshy right now with this whole install do you think it would hurt it if we just put a light amount of RTV by the coolant ports? With all this leaking thats been going on im just nervous about everything. How about this....on these pictures of the gaskets, you should highlight in yellow where we should RTV. Do we need ANY RTV on the side that will mate with the head being as it's the NPI head and NPI gasket?
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/RaceVids88/Cam001edited.jpg
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Dusstbuster said:Alright, so NO, nada, nien, zip, zero, zilch RTV between the head and gasket, only on those spots.